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| Romans 16:17&1817. I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teachings you have learned. Keep away from them. 18. For such people are not serving our Lord Christ, but their own appetites. By smooth talk and flattery they deceive the minds of naive people.CHECK OUT THIS WEBSITE! IT IS THE 'MAN' CLAIMING HE IS NOT IN U.B.F. HERE COMMENTING AND MISLEADING IN THE FORUM briankarcher http://www.ubfriends.org/author/brian-karcher/ HE EITHER ATTEMPTED TO RE-RECRUIT ME EVEN THOUGH I AM A CHRISTIAN AND BAPTIST NOW, OR MOST LIKELY HE THOUGHT I WANTED TO LEAVE UNIVERSITY BIBLE FELLOWSHIP AND WAS ORDERED TO MEET ME FACE TO FACE AND MAKE SURE IT COULD NEVER HAPPEN (I HAVE BEEN EDITING MY TESTIMONY HERE AND briankarcher COULD HAVE EASILY ASSUMED I WAS STILL IN ATTENDANCE AT U.B.F. UPON FIRST CONTACT WITH ME)! JUST READ! ITS PUBLIC IN MY COMMENTS AND OTHERS HERE AS WELL! I GOT OTHER EMAILS FROM MY INVESTIGATION OF HIM! I WANT TO KNOW HOW THIS 'MAN' BELIEVES MANIPULATION IS GOD FEARING??????????? THIS IS NOT A CULT N.A.E.?????????? REALLY???????? WHAT A DISGRACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THIS IS MY TESTIMONY OF U.B.F. Page 2 (Contd.) John 5:31&32
(Jesus) "If I testify about myself, my testimony is not valid. 32 There is another who testifies in my favor, and I know that his testimony about me is valid.http://freedomofmind.com/Info/infoDet.php?id=543&title=University_Bible_Fellowship Here's some research for you on U.B.F. http://www.rickross.com/sg_alpha.html Website Listing U.B.F. as a Cult. (Under U) http://www.apologeticsindex.org/site/index-u List of Cults with U.B.F. (A lot of info on U.B.F.) http://www.neirr.org/ncultlst.html A Listing of Cults with University Bible Fellowship (Under U) http://carm.org/cults-outline-analysis Another listing of Cults with University Bible Fellowship (under U). Also info on Cults. * Again I am not affiliated with any of these Churches. http://www.google.com/cse?cx=001799989780590661597%3A5b8gyda5z5a&ie=UTF-8&q=University+Bible+Fellowship&sa0=Search#gsc.tab=0&gsc.q=University%20Bible%20Fellowship&gsc.page=1 Yet again a search engine with many listing's of University Bible Fellowship as a Cult, also many sites listing psychologists (further on in lists of websites page 2 etc.) who deal in former cult members and attorneys who deal with human rights. http://www.cbn.com/spirituallife/cbnteachingsheets/FAQ_cult.aspx Outstanding C.B.N. Website (Christian Broadcast Network) with Info On Detecting A Cult, Church Search In Your Area And Christian Counseling. =) http://www.youtube.com/user/perrystonevoe Want a real Scripture translation to compare? Check out a few of these videos. 2 Corinthians 11:14&15 14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. 15 It is not surprising then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve. I remember one of the last times I met up with my University Bible Fellowship 'Bible Teacher' and we had been talking on some matters when he interjected and began to tell me how hard life is and how hard it would be for me. It was one of those of moments where everything seemed to slow down as he explained himself and then God revealed to me right then that he was a fool, and lacked wisdom often knowing nothing of what he ever spoke. It reminded me of how the make-believe University Bible Fellowship 'Pastor' weeks before said something similar in his belief that life went up and down kind of like a roller coaster, as was his life, from good to bad and back again. Now you may be thinking, I'm taking words out of context, but I promise U.B.F. takes all Scripture out of context and everything is an initation into their Orginization, or rightfully so, Christianity Manipulated-Cult. Anyhow, later on when I was pondering the 'Bible Teachers' explanation, God's revelation suddenly dawned on me that all experiences when we were together always came from his direct point of view and always lacked general honesty to his knowledge of Scripture. This meant nothing from him was ever truly based from God when I would meet with the University Bible Fellowship 'Bible Teacher', or did anything come from outside of himself, because all he actually did over and over was this bizzare juggling act of trying to balance Biblical Scripture with his ideals and that of U.B.F.'s. All he would ever talk about was that I always needed to hold on to the word of God, but later I found the Truth is that The Good Lord Plants His Word(s) in your Heart and no Circus act is ever gonna make that change, or possible otherwise, ARE YOU HEARING THIS BROTHER AND SISTERS AND NEVER DOUBT THEY WILL EVER ALLOW, OR ACCEPT A 'SHEEP' AS THEY CALL YA, OR ANYONE ELSE'S OFFER OF A HOLY SPIRIT FILLED MESSAGE! It was just becoming more clearer to me at the time how the rest of U.B.F. 'Leaders' had been the same way as him. I started to notice how identical and like-minded almost all of these leaders of University Bible Fellowship were: They had no personality, their laughter was always forced when present, it was always about their time with a my way or the highway doctrine, they were all around rough and rigid, the atmosphere was always dull and deathly boring and all they would present of themselves was a forced charisma and posture of believed supremacy. As a Christian, I know Life can have challenges and there are many great ones I may never face as others do, but I also know and have heard testified on plenty of times from within The Family of God, that life is always good in our Lord and though at times we face struggles, they are only as hard as we make them out to be, and yes circumstances may fall in place before us that seem impossible to overcome, but fear not for in God we are guaranteed triumph over all things. Do not be confused over what the U.B.F. 'Bible Teacher' spoke here, or what any U.B.F. 'Bible Teacher' speaks, for they abide to what is called Hard-Living and this makes one Hardened within, because this way of life is a rejection of the Good Lord's Blessings, forcing one willing to always rely on themselves, for I know, because this is how I once lived not long ago in my days of Sin, Can I get an Amen! In God, our lives are rewarded in Prayer and by receiving God's Blessing's in our lives AND HOW DO I KNOW THIS? REALLY??? FROM THE AUTHORITY GIVEN TO ME BY THE LORD AND MY PERSONAL FRIENDSHIP WITH JESUS CHRIST, PRAISE GOD! 2 Corinthians 4:17 For our light and momentary troubles are achieving for us an eternal glory that far outweighs them all. If someone says their life is always hard, its usually a guarantee that they aren't truly living in God, because if you ever read Scripture and personally know of God, He will never give you something that is "too hard", and by the way I was just a witness, and please can I get me a Witness, somewhere, just anywhere on this sickness and a remedy to dismiss this wickedness, AMEN! The U.B.F. ways can be more clearly understood, by finding out about their 'Leaders' Scripture Translations and Manipulation (In Comparison) and recognizing their methods/rituals and with some research on University Bible Fellowship it does not take long to learn what they really are. I will say, at the time, but especially looking back and being more well versed in Bible Scripture, U.B.F. Leaders will often speak of their true motives, especially when you ask questions and pay attention. The Word's of God reveal their deceiving tongues (Language Barrier Excuse next U.B.F.?). On the topic of U.B.F. Prayer, let me say I am so grateful I never have to hear my former University Bible Fellowship 'Bible Teacher' and the rest claim and pray to RAISE disciples of Christ again and I promise they imply that literally! That always sounded wrong to me and now having liberated myself from U.B.F. it was given to me by the Lord how blaspheming, but more deeper than this, how demonic it is to seek such claim. Their methods of 'One to One Prayer' are only a deception for the lust of power their leadership seeks by having their 'Bible Teachers' get as deep inside a members mind as possible. Why? Because they do not have communication with God. Do not be fooled, for it is an unbecoming, and revolting Ritual they use in premeditation to make sure they can lord over you just right, that you will submit to their tyrannical ideology. Ever notice members of U.B.F. and former, how the 'Bible Teacher' will almost run over to you to be part of what I know now and describe as their "Prayer Session"? They use this to master control over individuals, because U.B.F. live in ubelief of God's capability and compensate by their methods/rituals of control, for they do not recognize to stand in the way of God's work, because U.B.F. leadership will do whatever they have to for what is outward, because inwardly they are dead. Matthew 5:5-8 (Jesus) "And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have recieved their reward in full. 6 But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7 And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like the pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. 8 Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him. Again they do not know the Father, and by this they seek to supercede the Lord. Praying openly in a group, with another person, or even lone before many does not mean you sin. Know though, University Bible Fellowship is ritualistic and not Christian and not pleasing, or working for the Father at all. Romans 8:8 Those controlled by the sinful nature cannot please God. Evidence of this can be witnessed by the Bizzare Messages from my former U.B.F. 'Missionary' and 'Bible teacher' I recieved and what they reveal displayed on P age 1 of this testimony (Go To RSQUBF Icon Under The Picture In The Top Left To Read This And Other Testimonies about U.B.F. if this is your main page). I would not be surprised if most at U.B.F. will defend the 'Missionary', or 'Bible Teacher' and the email pointing out "In His grace and blessing" is clearly referring to Jesus, or God in 'His'. Are you reading into what that means though? He is that familiar with God? Really? Which one? God, or the Son of God? This is a man who constantly would point out, almost throwing it in my face, that he had nearly thirty years (30!) of U.B.F. experience. One should say, may we receive God's Grace and Blessing. Notice I referenced God. Now it can be said this is a man of ever consuming pride and arrogance and we all face our struggles, however, who is the man that reaches as far as to send an E-mail that he has revised and sought to convey a message from God FOR ANOTHER in a U.B.F. and not even Scripture based 'testimony' that he didn't even write, and then expecting those revisions to be shared publicly by that person (me)? One thing I left out was he did this again with another 'testimony' I wrote, only this time he expressed EMOTION'S from my point of view, so when I read that 'Testimony' I pointed out what he had written, just jokingly, and he buried his face in what he was looking at instead of making strange faces at me if it were something he did not agree with, which was typical (no joke), and everyone got deathly silent and seemed to later become distant with me, as if I had broken the rules. After that incident I sent him 'testimonies', though not talking about myself and always focusing on Scripture, but he refused to ever acknowledge he received an e-mail from me. Let me also clear up when I say uneducated jargon, my meaning is this is not a 'Bible Teacher', nor did I find one at University Bible Fellowship who understood Scripture looking back, God's Grace, or reading Scripture with The Lord so please attempt to interpret Scripture beyond the Leaders, you who may believe in U.B.F., so maybe they may get to know God, but I would be weary (and I really felt that many times in my heart while at U.B.F.). My experiences were not isolated to these. The Forced enthusiasm and lack of God's presence in U.B.F. members and leaders everywhere (and I was at their last large Conference half-filled with their youngest Children High School and Below) brought me to great struggle in my prayer life and had me hovering in and out of despair in what was a confusing and felt awkward time for me in renewing my Faith. I would constantly be badgered by this man who claims to be a 'Bible Teacher' to come to their 'Bible House' (and yes not House of God) everyday early on and when physical illness combined with about Thirteen miles prevented me, I was met from then on with having what I describe as, "an attitude of noncooperation" with my 'Bible Teacher'. Remember in the Gospel Jesus said if someone tells you, 'Here he is, in the inner rooms,' do not believe it Matthew 24:26. Matthew 15:13&14 13 He (Jesus) replied, "Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be pulled up by the roots. 14 Leave them; they are blind guides. If a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit." As I have mentioned, I was put under constant pressure by U.B.F. leadership (and this was just within a few months) on career, absolute commitment to group conformity, complete allegiance to U.B.F. leaders and to have a complete unquestioning will to participate in all that was asked of me. If this was not enough for me to figure out University Bible Fellowship was something to run from, I was recently told I MUST be married! Yes, marriage was a requirement for me! -A MAN WHO CAN LEGALLY CALL HIMSELF A U.B.F. 'PASTOR'- approached me one day, sat down next to me and with a strange look and forced enthusiasm leaned close and said, "You have to get married" and then got up and walked away. Hahahahaha! It was so awkward. Attending U.B.F. for me looking back, was like living in a boring, but real life horror movie and there was no thrill wondering what was coming around the corner next, I promise you! Now I was no fool, for as time went on I became more turned off with the University Bible Fellowship "Cult-Culture" and with how large the 'Church' was not and I constantly weighed the fact I had to leave, but I did not know of a Christian Church to attend at the time. Besides I would not have this story to expose them to The N.A.E. and I pray to God you read this and other Testimonies about University Bible Fellowship Experience's. That was not the only strange incident I experienced from one of the University Bible Fellowship's 'Pastors' '. Now let me say I am unmarried and I absolutely do seek marriage now for sure and God willing it will be, but reading other testimonies of University Bible Fellowships basically having a Marriage Policy and Arranged Marriages with newly arrived immigrants from overseas (and other circumstances) I have no doubt now this is true from what I witnessed and experienced. One rising member in the organization, 'The Sheperd', I mentioned on Page 1 of my Testimony who was in the same 'Ministry', who is a U.S. Citizen, I believe had his entire marriage arranged by this same 'Pastor' and other 'leaders' in U.B.F., with a woman from overseas and all I will say further on that matter is I pray for them. Wherever I went throughout the U.B.F. Network of 'Churches' I would seemingly be welcomed walking in the door as the rest, just to find an atmosphere of everyone being far beneath the U.B.F. 'Leaders' and made to feel inferior with any sense of being an individual, or having a zest to explore Scripture further then what was given, immediately snuffed out at once and this would come through bizarre body language/facial expressions, direct confrontation by 'One to One Prayer', and/or by ignoring that person entirely. In talking with any University Bible Fellowship 'Leadership', I would always get instant pressure put on me to explain my career and my goals in life, and I was even confronted on my financial status to people who behaved, including "if the devil could have a right hand" A.K.A. my former 'Bible Teacher', as if we were that familiar. Not having any real boundaries back then, at times, I would feel I had to explain myself. All I really wanted after I returned from many years of pain and despair was a relationship with Jesus, but I understand now I foolishy sought this in U.B.F. of all places. I had these experiences at U.B.F. Milwaukee, U.B.F. Chicago, U.B.F. College of Dupage, U.B.F. Northern Illinois University and their half-dead Wells Conference in Southern Michigan December, 2011. I have to ask now, what I thought from the start when I returned to U.B.F. having had briefly attended a large mission based Church in the State I previously lived. What kind of 'Church' caters to only college students??? I am sure there are Christian Campus Ministry's unlike The Non-Christian Worldly Religious Organization University Bible Fellowship, but I just don't get it! For me that's actually defying Christ if you solely work on College Campus to spread the Gospel. It's basically going out and passing by the man on the street with the idea you are far to dirty and are way past due, but that fresh clean college student not living independent and with some money seems far more desirable to attend my Church. Again in defiance of Christ and Scripture it is going out and ignoring that widow with children whose husband died, or maybe a single mother living a life she is starting to feel she regret's, because your focusing on Campus. I am not against spreading the Gospel on Campus, but remember Spread the Gospel everywhere, for that was our command! Back to the U.B.F.'ers. Some of you might respond, well I am at U.B.F., I believe I am a Christian and I do have a relationship with Jesus and what's it to you? I say God Bless you and may you recognize University Bible Fellowship, for I promise that they will interfere with your growth and your relationship with Jesus Christ and you may even lose it, or are losing it now the longer you last. One thing that always made me scratch my head about U.B.F. were the photo opportunities taken when on one day more people were present than every other (X-mas, Easter, etc.). Even though U.B.F. is not a real Christian Church, who makes the image all about appearance in numbers (unless there ain't numbers ;o)? If you have a chance, browse a University Bible Fellowship 'Ministrys' Website and I assure you if there is a photograph you will not find many of the people present regularly attending their 'Ministry'. It is the same with their 'Conferences'. U.B.F. 'leaders' will even pay the way for those unable, or unwilling to go to their 'Conference's' telling that person, "your conference fee is all payed for and you can pay me payback later", making the person think, ''(Uh duh) That's not a bad deal", however, The without wit is actually having his will forced to submit to U.B.F. activities/rituals, as was done to me. The one's photographed on Holiday's and Conferences and posted on their website's are usually harassed for weeks and even months to attend by phone, or in person prior to that event, for if you were in U.B.F. you know this is "custom" from experience. I would not be surprised if these photos are a competition among the U.B.F. 'Leaders' all consuming pride here in the United States! Chicago U.B.F. is their headquarters in America and has their largest audience, however, they do not currently post photos on their website which is bizarre and not at all custom of U.B.F. 'leader' behavior. Most photos in 'U.B.F. Church' you do see with a larger audience is almost always at a grand opening of a new building, or one of their 'special events' and you will find the hierarchy of the American U.B.F. and other willing U.B.F. present to offer their 'support' and featured in the posted photographs. I believe the main reason though U.B.F. stages these photo's on their website's here in the U.S., is that they are put under a lot of pressure to give the appearance to South Korea, where their main headquarters is located, that they are growing and creating unquestioned loyalty among U.B.F. recruits! JUST LOOK UP THEIR 'AFRICA MINISTRY' AND NOTICE ITS ALMOST ALL SOUTH KOREAN'S PHOTOGRAPHED! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! I LAUGH, BECAUSE THE REALITY COULD NOT BE MORE OPPOSITE FOR THE U.B.F. REGIME AND IT'S ALL SO FREAKING NUT'S! I never knew until I fled University Bible Fellowship after realizing they are a Christian-Cult and did some research on them that it appears they base themselves out of South Korea. Again, this was NEVER openly shared this with me. I am not saying that would have mattered, but I am not saying it would not have either. These people are not demons in U.B.F., or is it a guarantee you are in the kind of immediate danger of physical injury if you leave (if you are, or have been threatened contact the Authorities Immediately), but maybe you are the deceived and blind as I and the rest were and you just need to pray to Jesus if this is possible and I would not be surprised if the Lord will move your Heart to get you out there to find a Christian Church to experience (It might take a little bit of patients. For me it took two weeks of really searching, but WOW was it worth it). My time at University Bible Fellowship was doubly strange. Here I am at a positive and Spirited turn in my life in seeking Christ and yes I may have gotten rides from these deceivers and food, but in comes God to move my heart to seek shelter in a Christian Church far away from U.B.F. which is not. Never live your life judging anything by its appearance, however you may not know, don't be easily fooled. I am not bitter over my experience at U.B.F., though I will not remain silent at these people's evil works at attempting to poison my relationship with God and replace it with unquestioned slavery and pleasing submission to the 'leaders' of the organization. I still have struggles these days like the rest, however, I am now in a great Church and awake everyday with joy and the promise of the Lord improving my life, so long as I follow in his path for me. I pray for you U.B.F.'s to come home to Jesus and so does he. *Note- I did not mention name's, because this is not about a group of specific individuals. This is about University Bible Fellowship as a whole and the danger, from my experience, they pose to young people in their attempts to control their minds and strip them of their individuality and those who are interested in seeking a relationship with the Lord, but turn away because of their experience with University Bible Fellowship. 2 Peter 2:18-20 For they mouth empty, boastful words and, by appealing to the lustful desires of sinful human nature, they entice people who are just escaping from those who live in error. 19 They promise them freedom, while they themselves are slaves of depravity-for a man is a a slave to whatever has mastered him. 20 If they could have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were in the beginning. 21 It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them.
James 1:26&27
26 If anyone considers himself religious and yet does not keep a tight rein on his tongue, he deceives himself and his religion is worthless. 27 Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world. SO ANYONE CURIOUS AND SEEKING AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THEY WERE INVOLVED IN WHEN ATTENDING UNIVERSITY BIBLE FELLOWSHIP, I THINK I CAN BEST EXPLAIN WHAT I KNOW NOW FROM SCRIPTURE, MY EXPERIENCE AT U.B.F. AND FROM THE LORD OF THE SPIRITUAL ASPECT OF MAN'S CORRUPTION IN MANIPULATION OF CHRISTIANITY AT UNIVERSITY BIBLE FELLOWSHIP. THE MAJORITY OF MEN AND WOMEN PERVERTING CHRISTIANITY, WALKING HAND IN HAND WITH SATAN AND LEADING THE COMMUNITY OF UNIVERSITY BIBLE FELLOWSHIP GO BY THE SCRIPTURE DEFINED, "LEGALIST" -Impossible Standards-, "JUDAIZERS"-Absolute Conformity- AND OBVIOUS "BLASPHEMOUS" -Attacking/Perverting the Nature of God- WAY. NOW THIS QUIET U.B.F. DOCTRINE THEIR LEADERS USE TO RECRUIT AND LIVE BY CAN BE SPIRITUALLY DISCERNED IN THEIR PRAYER TOPICS IF YOU WERE EVER A MEMBER. I WITNESSED MANY TIMES THE LEADERS FROM MANY SECTIONS OF THE ORGANIZATION OPENLY PRAY FOR RAISING DISCIPLES OF CHRIST AS THEY "WORD IT", EVEN PUSHING US IN THIS PRAYER, THOUGH ALL TRUE MEN AND LADIES BAPTIZED IN THE BLOOD OF CHRIST LEARN THIS IS BLASPHEMY AND THAT ONLY JESUS CHRIST WILL RAISE HIS DISCIPLES AND WILL DO THIS THROUGH PRAYER, REPENTANCE, TRIALS AND SO FORTH. UNIVERSITY BIBLE FELLOWSHIP HAS TAKEN THEIR OWN EXTREME IDEALS AND BELIEFS FROM THE BASIS OF HOW THEY CHOSE TO INTERPRET SCRIPTURE, THE PROPER WAY OF SERVING GOD BY MEMBERS AND THE MALE LEADERS OF U.B.F. SEEKING AND EXPECTING THE SAME OBEDIENCE GIVEN TO GOD BY THEIR 'SHEEP' (MEMBERS), AND WOVEN THIS TOGETHER TO FORM SOME TERRIBLE MESS IN THE EFFORT TO HAVE A PREMEDITATED CONTROL OVER UNIVERSITY BIBLE FELLOWSHIP MEMBERS MINDS IN ORDER TO FULFILL THEIR AGENDA. 'LEADERS' WILL FORCE PARTICIPATION IN ACTIVITIES/RITUALS, OFTEN TELLING THE MEMBER, OR NEW RECRUIT IF THEY REFUSE, OR ARE HESITANT THEY ARE GOING AGAINST GOD'S COMMAND MAKING THEM TO FEEL GUILTY AND ASHAMED AND IF THAT DOES NOT WORK THEY WILL CONSTANTLY BADGER THEM IF THEY DO NOT PARTICIPATE. U.B.F WILL EVEN HIDE BEHIND THE CLOAK OF CLAIMED 'SOUTH KOREAN CUSTOM', OR WHATEVER EXCUSE THEY CAN WHEN THEY MAKE REAL TROUBLE FOR THEMSELVES. IN AN EXAMPLE OF THEIR EFFORT TO MAINTAIN CONTROL OF THEIR COLLECTIVE HOLD OVER MEMBERS, I WITNESSED U.B.F. 'LEADERS' EXPLAINING AWAY SUCH TROUBLE, WHEN MY VERY OWN FORMER 'BIBLE TEACHER' AND 'MISSIONARY' GAVE HIS 'SUNDAY MESSAGE' ON A MOTHERS INTERVENING AND REFUSAL TO LET HER CHILD GO NEAR THE 'MISSIONARY' AND ATTEND U.B.F., AFTER WHATEVER THE 'MISSIONARY' DID, THOUGH MENTION OF IT WAS IRRELEVANT TO HIM. THE U.B.F. 'MISSIONARY' THEN BEGAN TO PROCEED TO SKIP OVER THE DETAILS OF THE FACE TO FACE CONFRONTATION HE HAD WITH THE MOTHER UPON HER NOT ALLOWING HIM CONTACT WITH HER CHILD AND THEN IN ONE OF HIS MOST DRAMATIC AND PHONY DISPLAY'S OF EMOTIONAL CONCERN, HE EXPLAINED HOW INCREDIBLE IT WAS TO HIM HIS 'MISSION' WAS NOT UNDERSTOOD AND HOW SHAMEFUL THE MOTHER WAS TO DENY A 'BIBLE TEACHING' TO HER CHILD (THIS WAS THE SECOND TO LAST WEEK I WAS THERE AND I DID NOT EAT WITH THEM AFTER THE MESSAGE WAS THROUGH, AND LEFT EARLY). I REMEMBER HOW MY U.B.F. 'BIBLE TEACHER' WOULD ALWAYS SAY, "THE DEVIL IS THE ACCUSER AND ALWAYS MAKES ACCUSATIONS". I WITNESSED MANY TIMES AFTER BEING A MEMBER OF U.B.F. FOR SEVERAL MONTHS, U.B.F. 'LEADERS' SPEAK OF PRAYING FOR THOSE WHOSE FAMILY MEMBERS INTERVENED, REMOVING LOVED ONES, AND EVEN WITNESSED U.B.F. 'LEADERS' MAKE PLANS TO HAVE SECRET CONTACT WITH THEM IF POSSIBLE (I DO NOT KNOW WHAT BECAME OF THIS). U.B.F. HAS THEIR OWN MISTRANSLATED SCRIPTURE BASED 'SPIRITUAL LAWS', COMBINED WITH AN INNER AUTHORITARIAN RULE/METHOD FOR MEMBERS, THE INTENTION BEING TO MAINTAIN AS MUCH CONTROL OVER THE MEMBERS LIVES AS THE 'LEADERS' ARE ABLE. THIS IS HOW IT IS POSSIBLE THAT UNIVERSITY BIBLE FELLOWSHIP CAN MAINTAIN ORDER AND HAVE CONTROL OVER THEIR 'CONSCIOUS COLLECTIVE'. UPON LEAVING U.B.F. JUST OVER SIX MONTHS OF WITNESSING THEIR INSANITY AND EVIL, I SPOKE WITH AN AMERICAN BORN MEMBER WHO HAD THE RANK OF 'SHEPHERD' IN U.B.F. ON MY DECISION THAT I WAS GOING AND HE SOON WENT RIGHT INTO THIS 'SOUTH KOREAN CULTURE EXCUSE', FOR UNIVERSITY BIBLE FELLOWSHIP HAS A GREAT MAJORITY OF SOUTH KOREAN INFLUENCE AS WE KNOW, TO JUSTIFY MY 'BIBLE TEACHERS' BEHAVIOR. HE THEN PROCEEDED TO TRY TO MAKE ME BELIEVE I WAS JUST NOT WILLING TO PUT IN ENOUGH EFFORT AND HE THEN SOUGHT TO RE-RECRUIT ME, LEANING ON WHAT I NOW REFER TO AS THE UNIVERSITY BIBLE FELLOWSHIP 'MISUNDERSTANDING KOREAN CULTURE CLOAK', OR THE 'LOST AND TROUBLED WESTERNER CLOAK' AND THAT I JUST NEEDED TO BE ACCEPTING "OF THEIR WAY'S" FOR THEY DO NOT KNOW WHAT THEY DO AND I GOT THIS WORD OF MOUTH FROM THE 'SHEPHERD' AFTER THE U.B.F. 'BIBLE TEACHER' MANIA OF BIZARRE AND REVEALING TEXT MESSAGES SUDDENLY AND IN NO RATIONAL SENSE, CEASED! (YES EVERYONE HAS RANK N.A.E. -NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF EVANGELICAL'S- AND THAT ONE IS BELOW 'MISSIONARY'!). NOW I WAS NOT AT ALL DISRESPECTFUL OF ANY ONE'S SOCIAL ETHNIC CULTURE EVER ONCE AND THE CLAIM THAT I COULD BE IS SIMPLY A LIE. I COOPERATED, BECAUSE I THOUGHT THIS WAS A CHRISTIAN CHURCH AND WHERE I NEEDED TO BE IN THAT TIME, FOR HONESTLY I WAS NOT THAT WELL ACQUAINTED WITH ANY OTHER LOCAL BIBLE BASED CHURCHES (NOR WAS I EVER THE WISER UNTIL THE NEAR END I WAS NOT IN A CHRISTIAN BIBLE BASED CHURCH AS A MEMBER OF U.B.F). ONE EERILY STRANGER REFLECTION. I WAS ABOUT TWO MONTHS IN UNIVERSITY BIBLE FELLOWSHIP AND REALIZING THE EXAGGERATION OF THE SIZE OF THIS CLAIMED 'MINISTRY', I ASKED THIS SAME U.B.F. 'SHEPHERD' I HAVE MENTIONED PRIOR AND ANOTHER ON HIS WAY TO BE SHEPHERD IF MAYBE IT WAS THE PRESENTED AND CURRENT CULTURE OF THE 'CHURCH' AND THEIR 'MISSIONARY'S' ON WHY THEY MIGHT BE STRUGGLING TO GROW. AS IF I SAID SOMETHING OFFENSIVE, I RECEIVED A COMPLETELY EMOTIONAL FILLED, ALMOST DEAFENING AND ABSOLUTELY CHILD-LIKE NO FROM THE TWO LOYAL UNIVERSITY BIBLE FELLOWSHIP MEMBERS. MY TESTIFYING CANNOT NEARLY EXPLAIN TO ANYONE THE HOLD U.B.F. WILL TAKE OVER THEIR MEMBER'S MIND'S, YOU JUST REALLY HAVE TO SEE IT YOURSELF. AND THEY DO THIS IN THE NAME OF GOD! WHAT DISGRACE!
Colossians 2:8
See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ.
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| 1 Corinthians 3:7&8 7. So neither he who plants nor he who waters is anything, but only God, who makes things grow. 8 The man who plants and the man who waters have one purpose, and each will be rewarded according to his own labor.CHECK OUT THIS WEBSITE! IT IS THE 'MAN' CLAIMING HE IS NOT IN U.B.F. HERE COMMENTING AND MISLEADING IN THE FORUM briankarcher http://www.ubfriends.org/author/brian-karcher/ HE EITHER ATTEMPTED TO RE-RECRUIT ME EVEN THOUGH I AM A CHRISTIAN AND BAPTIST NOW, OR MOST LIKELY HE THOUGHT I WANTED TO LEAVE U.B.F. AND WAS ORDERED TO COME AND MEET ME FACE TO FACE TO MAKE SURE IT COULD NEVER HAPPEN (I HAVE BEEN EDITING MY TESTIMONY HERE AND briankarcher COULD HAVE EASILY ASSUMED I WAS STILL IN ATTENDANCE AT U.B.F. UPON FIRST CONTACT WITH ME)! JUST READ! ITS PUBLIC IN MY COMMENTS AND OTHERS HERE AS WELL! I GOT OTHER EMAILS FROM MY INVESTIGATION OF HIM! I WANT TO KNOW HOW THIS 'MAN' BELIEVES MANIPULATION IS GOD FEARING?????????? THIS IS NOT A CULT N.A.E.?????????? REALLY????????WHAT A DISGRACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THIS IS MY TESTIMONY OF U.B.F. Page 1 John 5:31&32
31 (Jesus) "If I testify about myself, my testomony is not valid. 32 There is another who testifies in my favor, and I know that his testimony about me is valid.http://freedomofmind.com/Info/infoDet.php?id=543&title=University_Bible_Fellowship Here's some research on U.B.F. http://www.rickross.com/sg_alpha.html Website Listing U.B.F. as a Cult. (Under U) http://www.apologeticsindex.org/site/index-u List of Cults with U.B.F. (A lot of info on U.B.F.) http://www.neirr.org/ncultlst.html A Listing of Cults with University Bible Fellowship (Under U) http://carm.org/cults-outline-analysis Another listing of Cults with University Bible Fellowship (under U). Also info on Cults. * Again I am not affiliated with any of these Churches. http://www.google.com/cse?cx=001799989780590661597%3A5b8gyda5z5a&ie=UTF-8&q=University+Bible+Fellowship&sa0=Search#gsc.tab=0&gsc.q=University%20Bible%20Fellowship&gsc.page=1 Yet again a search engine with many listing's of University Bible Fellowship as a Cult, also many sites listing psychologists (further on in lists of websites page 2 etc.) who deal in former cult members and attorneys who deal with human rights. http://www.cbn.com/spirituallife/cbnteachingsheets/FAQ_cult.aspx Outstanding C.B.N. Website (Christian Broadcast Network) with Info On Detecting A Cult, Church Search In Your Area And Christian Counseling. =) http://www.youtube.com/user/perrystonevoe Want a real Scripture translation to compare? Check out a few of these videos. 2 Corinthians 11:14&15 14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. 15 It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve. I realize this is a rather long Testimony to read in its entirety, so let me just sum it all up for anyone who has a loved one whose mind is under the grip of University Bible Fellowship and stumbled on this website, or who is on the outs with U.B.F. and does not plan to return. U.B.F. believes serving God is all about your deeds and you words. Let me make clear, though U.B.F. preaches, its not at all for an individuals spiritual growth in God. Rather, University Bible Fellowship's philosophy is that through physical actions and repeated phrases combinded together in service to U.B.F., can then one come to know God and seek his approval. Participation is an immediate requirement for University Bible Fellowship attendance and this most definitely involves what U.B.F. 'leaders' refer to as 'Testimony' writing and this is done once a week. It is a not a testimony that is given by members of U.B.F., but rather a manipulation by U.B.F. 'leaders' to have revealed before that 'ministry' the individuals personal struggles with sin and is never intended to revolve around God, but rather the displayed appraisal worship of acting 'leaders' within the University Bible Fellowship hierarchy. Those who attend U.B.F. and refuse are usually ostracized. And what this creates, is a power vacuum where U.B.F. 'leaders', by their rank, become the facilitator's of God for the herd (the lower members are known as sheep) and a U.B.F. 'Leaders' false interpretation of God is all that comes for this loyal, but manipulated bunch. The common and shared myth among 'leaders' to lower members and recruits is all Churches and Christians not of U.B.F. are fooled and persuaded by evil. What becomes is the recruits of U.B.F. are 'RAISED', as the 'leaders' word it, by forced fed gobs of self-righteousness and soon after are led to the belief that even their diapers were as golden and fragrant in their youngest days as the 'Leaders' were and every word of Scripture, no matter the action, allows complete vindication for oneself and is an offering from God for the defense of any sin. This however, makes the climb up the University Bible Fellowship hierarchy a battle of arrogance among both 'tall' and 'small' U.B.F. members. U.B.F. is really an Eastern Christian Cult that was formed and is based out of South Korea. Impure and simpleton. Thank you for the invite to the community and I have proof in my own experience of University Bible Fellowships Christian facade! Let me first state there were many incidents with my University Bible Fellowship 'Missionary' and 'Bible Teacher' and the willing members of the Non-Christian Worldly religious organization, as I understand it now, that made me uncomfortable to put lightly. I have to say since I recently left University Bible Fellowship and found a Christian Church devoted to studying the Bible (unlike the claimed Christian and what I believe is a Non-Christian Worldly Religious Organization Known As University Bible Fellowship) with Christians who are filled with joy, laughter and the ever constant presence of love and respect among the folks of the Congregation, I noticed a positive change in me right away, the increase of power in my Prayer and most importantly I had a closer relationship with God and Hope in the future! Let me get to the point of why I sought to join this community and briefly share what I experienced (more detail is listed on my homepage profile of how I came to them). After several months of questions about the 'translations' of scripture given me from many of the 'pastor' and 'missionary's', or rightfully so "Elder of the Non-Christian Worldly Religious organization", and awkwardness I experienced with what I describe as the invasion of privacy, required disclosure of ones sins and required appeasement of the 'sheep' for the 'leaders', I have seen enough to debate anyone whose claim University Bible Fellowship is Christian from my own experience and later God's intervention in my Heart to leave (The Truth). Eventually I just felt the Wisdom from Jesus overtake me and push my prayer for a Christian Church and to run like heck from U.B.F. Brother! I really want to share with anyone who will read some text message's (especially one E-mail in particular) that were sent to me by my 'Bible Teacher'. Let me explain the atmosphere that, with the Grace of God, led to my departure from University Bible Fellowship. My eyes really began to open up to the oddity of U.B.F. after an attempt at a face to face talk in my last two months there when the 'Bible Teacher' dodged responsibility about an experience when he had gone and spoke negatively behind my back about something that he did not even have the real facts on no less and made up his own spin, making the atmoshphere at U.B.F. quite uncomfortable for me. I naturally began to make stronger boundaries with him after this, for I soon realized the U.B.F. 'Missionary' wanting to know everything and anything going on in my life, every time we met up. I found out about his rumor spreading when it came back to me and, insultingly no less, from one of the 'shepherds' who dealt the insult which I believe now was a learned behavior from U.B.F. Leaders, that maybe went to far, but was suppose to impose dominance over the 'sheep' among the declared 'Spiritual Masters' and leaders ('shepherds' are in training to become a 'missionary' and run around campus attempting to recruit as the 'missionary' do and fail as is custom now - by the evidence in the dying converts who choose to drink from the World and not Christ's Living Waters, the lack of youth converts in Chicago and all Illinois U.B.F. and the rejection of the organization among most of the 'Leaders', now adult children, who can no longer be forced to attend). Many might say that if you had problems with University Bible Fellowship as this, you should have left immediately. The truth is I did look into finding a REAL Church at this time, because I never felt comfortable at U.B.F., though with little success at finding a Church at first, my efforts soon became thwarted by not believing it was absolutely urgent for me to do so and that eventually things would work out. U.B.F. for me, had this deceptive and manipulative appeal where we would sit down and eat and they would be willing to pay for this out of their pockets when I met up with them, and I will admit, in the beginning I was fooled by what I blindly believed, and that was these were Christian's and their intentions were to live side by side in the Family of God and share in actual Fellowship. This would lead to the eventual final curtain call for me after the realization of just how opposite of this U.B.F. was: how dividing and divisive the leadership were, how trapped in sin everyone was and how more and more dishonest their 'methods', or really 'lures', to recruit young people are and just what their plans were for them, including myself (and those plans are U.B.F. taking over all individual aspects of the person and everything in their life). THEY WERE JUST A BIG LIE! These things I experienced and the confusion I had over the direction of U.B.F. made me carefully begin to ask questions in the coming weeks on Scripture Translations and get the U.B.F. interpretation. Another reason I stuck around after the first several weeks in U.B.F., was I felt uncomfortable with the idea of leaving right away, because I myself in the past at times would leave things unfinished and I just had this fear deep down that I would be doing it all over again, but I also felt it was a possibility I was living in a Real-Life episode of the Twilight Zone, so wearily, but in err, I stuck around and what a generational lesson and story I would have to tell. What I ended up learning after I left, was just how cunning the Devil is, for I just walked out of what I know now is one of his places of worship and he actually calls it University Bible Fellowship! Ephesians 6:11&12 11 Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes. 12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. Can I get a Witness To Reveal To These People The Truth, a Willing Brother and Sister In The Family Of Christ To Help Set These Slaves of Demonic Bondage Free and an Amen!?! Proverbs 11:13
A gossip betrays a confidence, but a trustworthy man keeps a secret.2 Peter 2:1&2
But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereing Lord who bought them-bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their shameful ways and bring the way of truth into disrepute. Moving forward from then, I began to ask questions about Scripture and even outside of it, but of course all things pertain. So I asked 'The U.B.F. Bible Teacher' what he thought of what happened to the Jews under Nazism. I am not making this up, the University Bible Fellowship 'Bible Teacher' stated to me that he believed God was punishing the Jew's with the Holocaust. I thought to myself, REALLY? He must be from the North part of Korea and should I run now? This was in my last couple weeks at U.B.F. and I was now regularly looking for a Christian Church, but this is the straw that basically led to the Camel's back being broke (Read Ezekiel 37 you U.B.F. 'leaders' and the rest). There is another side to that question, for you have to look at the estimated million's of Christians who died under Nazism wearing purple stars (not yellow stars like the Jews) by firing squads, hanging's and gas chambers and ask yourself was Hitler a ruler under God at this point? One more subtle, I told the U.B.F. 'Bible Teacher' a true story about two American Christian Missionaries who were recently imprisoned in Iran and set to be imprisoned for life, formerly accused of being spies (that's the human rights excuse they used). The man telling the story was one of the Missionaries and had been tortured for some time and contemplated suicide, rather than living all his days out that way. He attempted to kill himself in his cell, but he could not go through with it and then all of a sudden he explained his cell became completely lit up and in the center of that light shone the Glory of Christ and in the man's words Jesus told him he would get him out of this one, just this time. Well, the Missionary later overheard three men in the prison who were guards that became inspired by the men's Christian stance, and all three vowed to leave their jobs and become Christians. Then the man further elaborated that Christ spoke into him later that he wanted him to Forgive his torturer and seek his hand in friendship and the man did just this and the Iranian who was set to torture him shook for ten minutes, then introduced himself and shook his hand with a tear running down his face. The men were later set free by International Pressure. Now when I told the U.B.F. 'Bible Teacher' this story he mockingly laughed, almost interrupting me several times, (IT WAS SHAMEFUL) until I got to the part about the Guards, and so on, did he only then begin to control himself. I specifically told this story, because I thought it was an incredible Testimony of God, but I was also seeing the isolationism of U.B.F. from ALL Christian Churches and I was curious of what the 'Bible Teacher's' and 'Missionary's' response would be and was this an eye opener. Do not trust anyone in U.B.F., but trust in the Lord and his Word and you will see they will be exposed for what they really are within a flash. Just be this clever, you who have been set-up by U.B.F. and all will be revealed. What would be my last day in U.B.F., (I was already quietly planning to leave soon anyways) I had sent my University Bible Fellowship 'Missionary' and 'Bible Teacher' a text message that I MIGHT (That's The Truth) be physically unable to attend some future functions, but I received no immediate response from him except some Bible references, and I sent a reply asking what his message implied, but he did not respond and being tired of the weird games I sent him a text message stating I just was not sure if I could trust him, because I did not honestly know what else he spoke about me, (and that's all I felt comfortable getting into). The University Bible Fellowship 'Missionary' and 'Bible Teacher' sent me a text message that night that only stated "Trust in God". I thought, 'What'? The next day the U.B.F. 'Bible Teacher' called me claiming he was concerned and we needed to speak face to face. Now I have been suffering a physical illness that has reoccurred twice in me, and this was the second, since it first appeared when I was eighteen and this is the reason why I told him I may be unavailable. It is rather debilitating, and in not living a life in God, I was now recognizing how this could become, for I did not have a spiritual life, or any relationship with God in a long time and this had a negative effect on all the other parts of my life: Mind/Thinking, Heart, Physical Health, Stress Management etc... I had many long talks with my U.B.F. 'Bible Teacher' the 'Missionary' on the illness that had once again surfaced, but I honestly started to feel lately by some of the comments from him and the constant pressure he was pushing about many aspects of my life and my devotion to U.B.F. that maybe he was not in the belief I was Honest about my Illness and my struggles. Let me make clear again we spoke often on the subject, because of how the illness affected me for stretches. I also began to realize at times how the University Bible Fellowship 'Bible Teacher' had developed this kind of routine of what I refer to as "pressure session's" on my illness, constantly speaking directly at, or in a way that my healing had to come quicker and he would have these same "pressure session's" on my devotion to his asking's of participation in University Bible Fellowship events. It really did bother me on an emotional level at first, because I was in illness, but I still had my guard up, though do not get this incorrect, I participated fully in what was asked of me at U.B.F. and at times went out of my way in my time of struggle, because I really wanted a great Spiritual Cleansing and Growth and Change in the Direction of my life, that being living all of my days for God (AND AT UNIVERSITY BIBLE FELLOWSHIP! How naive, I know now.). Anyway's we met up and after speaking for a while I confronted him about being upset by him spreading what we knew was rumor about me after we had spoken not long ago and why he would do that, though my attempt was immediately thwarted by his skill at being able to redirect the conversation. Then the University Bible Fellowship 'Bible Teacher' out of nowhere gives me his diagnosis that it is serious mental illness I am suffering and not a physical illness and then the University Bible Fellowship 'Missionary' and 'Bible Teacher' began presenting me with the symptoms from what he has perceived and no joke offers his own opinion. Then it gets 'good', he cannot define what specifically has me ill, for he read it before and could not remember the diagnosis (Can you imagine he is not a doctor either???). THEN HE ACTUALLY handed me information on Doctor's he recommended that he went an attained, according to him, from another of his 'bible students' AND THAT IS THE TRUTH!!! (And the bible student- by the way was now just beginning to attend University Bible Fellowships' functions and 'Sunday Worship' routinely, after prior resistance, and he explained they had talked over the matter, which is me, in their last 'Bible Study'). Upon this, like in a reflex, I quite calmly said I had enough and was going to seek another Church (at the time I should have said a Christian Church, but would it have mattered?). After I had concluded there was nothing that could possibly be accomplished that day, I pushed for the meeting to end after I explained briefly and calmly what I was truly struggling with, ignoring 'his concerns', I then proceeded to end the meeting and I am not joking the U.B.F. 'Missionary' looked straight at me and said, "I believe we now need to have a Bible Study tomorrow". Hahahahaha!!!!!! Its Almost Unbelievable! (I just have to interject). I also want to make clear again I was going through a difficult Spiritual Struggle and this man and U.B.F. actually made me feel further distance between any kind of relationship with God with their 'methods', so much that I thought it was impossible for me to ever know the Lord. If you were in U.B.F. long enough, you know there are many passing insults and attempts at intimidation, bizarre behavior and strange rituals that make you scratch your head eventually thinking, 'Are these people the freaking devil?', and this was one of those moments. I realized from God that since my spiritual environment had been seeking Jesus alongside the devil=University Bible Fellowship, that I must cancel this appointment by voice mail to avoid complication of the matter, but still I really wanted to know how he could claim to be Christian and just where this was heading for me if I had stayed, because at this point, I had enough! I also wondered how after many conversations that had become nearly scoldings I endured about scripture translation and what his 'Bible Teacher' job was and how many other times he had betrayed my confidence, could I even get the Truth out of him, for I needed to know what I was a part of. He replied to my voice mail that I was cancelling his appointment he made the next day for us with this text message. Its a Scripture Verse of what Jesus said at the Final Super and he sent it after midnight, "Simon, simon, satan has sift you as wheat. But i have prayed for u (you) , simon, that your faith may not fail. And when u (you) have turn back strengthen your brothers. Luke 22:". 'WHAT A CREEP', I THOUGHT!!! However, I was respectful, because this was my Faith and I wanted to truly stay a Child of God after all this so I text'd him messages the next day that basically went along the lines of, 'What do you say about me?' and 'I believe it is not only odd, but you are a gossip if you deny it' and 'Now do you tell people I am crazy and why would I return?' and so on. I was not angry at this point and remained emotionless even though he even sent one of these messages around midnight, however, WITH NO ACTUAL RATIONAL RESPONSE TO THE QUESTIONS AND TEXT MESSAGES I HAD POSED TO HIM AND PREVIOUS QUESTIONS HE BRUSHED OFF AS IF THEY WERE NEVER ASKED AFTER WE, OR I SHOULD SAY MOSTLY HE, WOULD SPEAK ON ANYTHING REGARDING ONE'S CONDUCT. Here are some of the further creepy responses by text messages I received over about a four day period from my U.B.F. 'Bible Teacher'. It was like he was talking to himself, for he really never responded to any of my messages like some interrogated prisoner of war and this was far more than the University Bible Fellowship's 'Missionary' and 'Bible Teacher's' clear struggle with incredible arrogance and pride. In other words, I believe much of these messages he was repeating to himself and sharing with me in an effort to make himself believe that he had gained some kind of mind control over me that he could instigate by command. J U S T R E A D!!! :-0 Proverbs 18:7&8
7 A fool's mouth is his undoing, and his lips are a snare to his soul. 8 The words of a Gossip are like choice morsels; they go down to a man's in most parts.THE ONE WAY-BIZARRE U.B.F. 'BIBLE TEACHER' TEXT MESSAGE SENDING'S I WAS STRUCK WITH!!! ............. "Jesus said, Father forgive them for they do not know what they are doing" .................Yeah that text was really weird, because it came from nowhere and still did not communicate from anything I had sent. The University Bible Fellowship's 'Missionary' and 'Bible Teacher's' text message ramblings came at all hours of the day and night, day after day, even after I text'd him twice that I no longer wanted anything to do with U.B.F. Again with the U.B.F. 'Missionary's' texts having nothing to do with any kind of rational discussion prior and present from my texts, I decided to make him think, and this was the only time, because I was sick of the craziness and had been around the 'Missionary' enough that I thought we could come to a common understanding. Now in lightheartedness, but a little annoyed from being harassed by someone who was deceiving me and clearly hiding an agenda that I did not know the extent of until what proceeded, I sent him a text message calling him the almighty one since he was erratically quoting Christ. He then sent this text message................. "May God guide u (you) in the path of peace n (and) jesus love n (and) forgiveness be in your heart!".................I thought what is this all about and what does it have to do with anything and there was no seeking of an amends by the University Bible Fellowship 'Bible Teacher', or admission of wrong/mistake for what he had done. I knew for the last two months there was something seriously strange about U.B.F. 'Leaders' and the misery of other members, so I was careful to distance myself and I was not at all surprised if it would come to an ugly departure for me from U.B.F. However, actually seeing what was being revealed to me, I realized this was no game at all and I needed to get real far away from this University Bible Fellowship 'Missionary' and have no further contact ever with University Bible Fellowship. Then later on he text messages me ................. "May God be with you to be a new creation".................Now after my last response I began to be careful what I sent, because I did not want the University Bible Fellowship 'Missionary' and 'Bible Teacher' to really get me in the flesh and wanted to know as much as I could on what I had been involved with since my suspicions of U.B.F. had first arisen a few months ago. The following is an admission of everything I was beginning to see in the last couple of months in all U.B.F. leadership. So when I told the U.B.F. 'Bible Teacher' again I was attending another Church in the Text Message in the belief he would move on he then responded back and I quote from his text message, ..................."I believe God planted the gospel in you thru (through) me"..................
1 Corinthians 2:13&14 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words. 14 The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.
*************I WANT TO MAKE CLEAR. NOT ONE MESSAGE CORRELATED WITH ANY RESPONSE I SENT TO MY U.B.F. 'BIBLE TEACHER' AND IT MAY BE POSSIBLE THESE MESSAGES ORIGIN COME FROM SOMEWHERE FAR, FAR, AWAY IN ANOTHER GALAXY, OR MAYBE EVEN MARS, AFTER INADVERTENTLY GETTING SCRAMBLED IN A CELL PHONE SATELLITE, BOUNCING OFF AND THEN BEING RECEIVED BY OTHER WORLDLY BEINGS AND SENT TO ME! THEN AGAIN, I DOUBT IT.***************
Phillipians 3:18&19 For, as I have often told you before and now say again even with tears, many live as enemies of the cross of Christ. 19 Their destiny is destruction, their god is their stomach, and their glory is in their shame. Their mind is on earthly things.
AND THERE IT WAS ("I believe God planted the gospel in you thru (through) me"). IT SENT CHILLS DOWN MY SPINE THAT THIS WAS HIS AGENDA AND INTENTION! THE UNIVERSITY BIBLE FELLOWSHIP 'BIBLE TEACHER' AND 'MISSIONARY' BELIEVES THAT GOD WORKS THROUGH HIM FIRST BEFORE I CAN RECEIVE THE GOSPEL'S ON CHRIST AND THAT HE DOES THE WORK OF GOD IN ME. MAN CANNOT INTERPRET THE MEANING OF THE GOSPEL NO MATTER WHAT HIS CLAIM, OR TITLE, FOR IT IS THROUGH GOD IN WHOM WE READ SCRIPTURE AND FROM ALL WE ARE GIVEN. (And they only seek college level students! Strange huh?). AND HE IS NO DIFFERENT FROM MOST LEADERS I CAME ACROSS AND I REALIZE NOW, IN HINDSIGHT, THIS IS HOW MOST OF THEM MUST HAVE BEEN TAUGHT. He had the audacity to send me that message on Easter Weekend, not having any sense of human descency, or individual freedom from what is the clear "Collective" University Bible Fellowship is. This man from University Bible Fellowship, the 'Bible Teacher', actually admitted what I see now so many claim about U.B.F. James 1:22-24 22 Do not merely listen to the word, and so decieve yourselves. Do what it says. 23 Anyone who listens to the word but does not do what it says is like a man who looks at his face in a mirror 24 and, after looking at himself, goes away and immediately forgets what he looks like. That right there exposes how the devil is able to defile the leaders of U.B.F. and I would not be surprised if that's where the inspiring of manipulation of Scripture by University Bible Fellowship 'leaders' comes from for their Non-Christian Worldly Religious Organization in taking the message of God and replacing it with their own obsessive desire for power and control over individuals and unending thirst for worldly ambition! I know now from my witnessing that the 'members' and 'leaders' of U.B.F. are demonically oppressed and there's even a great possibility that many are under the possesion of a powerful demonic spirit of false religion/christian-cult described in Galatians 1:6&7 6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel-7 Which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. and also in 1 Timothy 4:1&2 1 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2 Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron rod. (II Timothy 3:1-9). I believe most of the 'leadership' of U.B.F. regularly participates in evil acts of blasphemy in dictating a false religion/Christian-cult, making themselves evil by nature, and I believe they also fall under the spell of a demonic spirit of the world mentioned in 1 Corinthians 2:12 by their obssession with worldly ambition and demand on all members having worldly success. LET ME MAKE CLEAR, I AM NOT SAYING ALL ARE THIS WILLING TO SERVE U.B.F. TO THIS EXTENT AND HAVE NOT BEEN MANIPULATED, BUT WELL MORE THAN NOT ARE, AND WAIT UNTIL YOU READ THROUGH THE E-MAIL I WAS SENT BELOW. I DO NOT HAVE THE HARD EVIDENCE OF OTHER SIMILAR CULT REVEALING CONVERSATIONS AND INCIDENTS MY FORMER 'BIBLE TEACHER' AND OTHER 'LEADERS' AT U.B.F. HAD WITH ME, BUT I HAVE ALL THESE MESSAGES IN MY POSSESSION. Back to the text messages. Now when I got that last message of the gospel through me blasphemy, I actually started to get angry, but I calmed down and then the University Bible Fellowship's claimed 'missionary' and 'bible teacher' began to ramble on a lot of nonsense taunting that my feelings were hurt and then he began sending incoherent text messages that I mostly ignored, but I still have. However, what was really strange and later had me do a 'AM I FREAKING CRAZY?' question of what I had been doing with my life by joining U.B.F., was an unread E-mail the 'Bible Teacher' sent months earlier that I had recently found. To those who do not know what a U.B.F. Testimony is, its a public confession of your struggles with sin, or past sins in front of the 'church' members every Friday. John 5:31 (Jesus) "If I testify about myself, my testimony is not valid". Understand Testimonies are real in Christianity and in Human Living, but University Bible Fellowship Chicago, Illinois, United States and its Non-Christian Worldly Religious Organization abroad perverts it for their own power and control structure over its members and within its hierarchy. Let me just cut and paste the U.B.F. 'Bible Teacher' and 'Missionary's' E-mail which again I never read until after I left, right here for all you to read.
'THE WHAT IN HELL DID I GET MYSELF INVOLVED WITH', E-MAIL REVELATION!!!
Dear ***,
Thank God for blessing you with the Holy Spirit so that you can repent and receive the mery (mercy) and Word of God in your heart. I have revised a little in order to convey the message God has given you.
In His grace and blessings,
***
2 Peter 2:12-14
But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish. 13 They will be payed back with harm for the harm they have done. Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you. 14 With eyes full of adultrey, they never stop sinning; they seduce the unstable; they are experts in greed- an accursed brood
(I have the originals of these text messages and the email. If anyone is ever interested
in seeing them let me know. =) )
And many at U.B.F. could say, well he is only saying revising and conveying the message (like making a correction, or maybe making the message clear). First things first. Look also at what he says at the bottom, "In His grace and blessings,". I am actually interested to hear their response to that (Probably a 'Culture Clash' excuse, correct?). The U.B.F. 'Bible Teacher' and 'Missionary' actually wrote over MY 'Testimony' suggesting their 'literature', 'Sunday worship' and 'one to one bible study' brought about the 'revelation from God' as he see's it, but I was told 'Testimony's' were to be written as Confession to God. Once again the Grace of God prevailed and the meeting was cancelled due to weather conditions, so I never had to 'give' that 'Testimony' (YOU 'give' 'Testimony's' to U.B.F.). In the beginning, I did not consider that a true Christian Testimony is not of yourself, for even when you look at what Jesus said in Johns' Gospel Ch.8 where he pointed out that his Father (God) and Prophecy of him were His witnesses, and that his life testified for itself, is there still no acceptance of this, or explanation for it. A little 'mock trial' before U.B.F. 'Leaders' is not at all Christ-like, though interestingly it is the opposite role of Jesus in John Ch.8. where U.B.F. 'Leaders' stand in as the Pharisee did and members ('sheep') are in the position of defense as Christ during their 'Friday Night Testimonies'. This display of deceitful submission and forced witnessed repentance of one's sins before U.B.F. 'Leaders' is not at all testifying, but an accussation field of slaughter by sin of corrupt men and women, or 'Leaders' of U.B.F. which you learn later do not even know what a Christian is, making the whole thing even more down right perverse and EVIL! Eventually, the invasive 'Friday Nights' had me focus on Scripture as time went on and little of myself in writing a University Bible Fellowship 'Testimony'. Now, when I printed my 'Testimony' (the one from this message I never read), I realized the 'Bible Teacher' made his own 'revisions', so before I learned the meeting was cancelled I approached him with the 'revisions' he had done and that turned into my first, but what would soon become tradition, 'What in Hell's Kitchen Cooked This?' moment with my U.B.F. 'Bible Teacher' over his nonchalance at what he actually committed that I will admit I did not understand so clearly then, but of course I had my instincts -Blasphemy-. (I was in U.B.F. for just about three months then when I experienced this and left three months after, but this sparked many questions in me back then). What's worse is I missed the previous Sunday "cult-worship" (the only one I missed unfortunately) and I had an immense amount of pressure put on me to explain myself in the 'Testimony' from the U.B.F. 'Bible Teacher', because in U.B.F. its all about attendance and serving the 'Leaders' (the one and only way to know God according to them) so in this 'Testimony', wanting to make it look good in front of everybody and with a lot of confusion and misunderstanding of the subject I was sharing (my recent past before U.B.F. including missing 'Sunday Worship') and an understanding of the real honest and determining factors, I embellished on many of the details. Why? I felt a lot shame and truly embracing my past and the complete process of learning from those mistakes and sins, as well as the change and growth from then in the Lord had not yet become complete. I also had gone into some vague detail of my past with the 'Bible Teacher' and he expected me to share this and all else in a 'Testimony', telling me nobody will judge you (If I was not a Christian now I would hate that man and the rest). In those first few months before I began to truly recognize the evil in U.B.F., I fell more and more into a dark depressed state, far more down than I ever had known, and U.B.F. attendance and all I witnessed began to slowly drain the life out of me and I felt more lost from finding myself, understanding what I had been through and I felt further from a relationship with God (however this woud soon change when I recognized my surroundings). It was not until about the last two months I really began to completely reject these people's evil ways and recognize their way of life was far worse then mine had ever been, for their trespass and iniquity is the ultimate, because they live as enemies to God and everything they do is a direct attack on Him, yet they go telling anyone and everyone who will listen they are just the opposite of this and even seek to 'counsel' them. But lets go back to the E-mail. "I have revised a little in order to convey the message God has given you", I quote from him. Do I really have to type anything else? He was not the only one with this "Thirst" for power over individuals I witnessed. Others in 'leadership' stood by as 'witness' to 'Testimonies'. NAME ONE WAY YOU CAN JUSTIFY THIS AS ACCEPTABLE CHRISTIAN BEHAVIOR, OR EVEN CLAIM THE HONOR OF SERVING CHRIST?? DEFEND THIS BEFORE GOD IF YOU DARE U.B.F.!!! HE IS NOT THE ONLY ONE AND THIS IS NOT THE ONLY SET OF CIRCUMSTANCES. THESE CAPITAL LEADERS HERE DECLARE THE EMPHASIS OF ANGER, PRAISE GOD! AND ANGER OVER WHAT??? THE COMPLETE PERVERSION OF SCRIPTURE TO CONTROL THE MINDS OF YOUNG PEOPLE BY WOLVES IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING, WHO SET THEMSELVES TO SEPERATE THESE YOUNG ONES FROM THEIR INDIVIDUALITY WITH THEIR 'CAMPUS MINISTRY' AND WHO KNOWS WHAT ELSE!!!! Let me say first, I forgive those people at U.B.F. and pray they find Jesus often, but trying to take something someones says they receive from God and then saying your going to convey and reinterpret with this uneducated jargon, seeks to truly commit one of the most sacred of Spiritual Crime's I see as Christianity Manipulated-Cult Worship, which makes me feel anger (The healthy controllable God given kind) with this man, for his soul is clearly and deeply troubled and the rest must suffer for it. I was simply stating that I had felt close to God when I wrote that 'Testimony' and maybe I was a little confused back then by U.B.F. and their hazing way towards 'sheep' as you experience in your beginnings at University Bible Fellowship, but I went into some detail in recent struggles, whether understood, or not, and this is extremely disturbing and overreaching especially to a beginning Christian that they claim to recruit! (sheep are who they refer to new members as and those they claim to 'Bible Teach'). In the end my entire point is how can the N.A.E. , National Associations of Evangelicals, consider these membership after I read somewhere they were removed them once before? WHY DON'T YOU GET OFF YOUR HIDE'S AND DO AN INVESTIGATION OF THEM AND I GUARANTEE IN THE END YOU WILL BE PERMANENTLY BANNING THEM FROM YOUR ASSOCIATION!!! I READ YOUR CERTIFICATION ON THEIR WALL!!! WHAT A DISGRACE!!! At least they are dwindling in numbers and dying, though for these committed Members it is a slow death. What I am grateful for is U.B.F. could not lead me to turn on my relationship with God when I left, unlike the last time, I remember more clearly now. U.B.F. is real good at deceiving too with their after Sunday Meeting Meals, other food offers and proclaimed dedication to God and Study of the Bible (though its a Manipulated Study of the Bible). God showed me who they are in prayer more after I fled. You want to know who God showed me U.B.F. likeness is in Scripture? The Pharisee. He pointed me to these Gospel Verse from Jesus.
Matthew 15:8&9 8 "These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, 9 They Worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men."
Galatians 9 &10 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned! 10 Am I now trying to win the approval of men, or of God? Or am I trying to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a servant of Christ. |
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Translated: "Let's look at verse 9: "But some of them became stubborn and refused to believe. In front of everyone, they said bad things about the Way. So Paul left these Jews and took the Lord’s followers with him. He went to a place where a man named Tyrannus had a school. There Paul talked with people every day." ... In verse 9 the word "talked" does not mean one-sided teach, but rather a spiritual dispute with the believers. Paul helped them to think deeply about the Word of God and accept it personally, instead of simply consuming something. Usually we encourage the students to have 1:1 BS once a week, but Paul had daily fellowship with the disciples and talked with them about the word of God. Maybe they had two hours of BS, then eating fellowship, then testimony writing and -sharing. This happened for two years, every day, i.e. 720 days without interruption, which means 2880 hours, if you make BS 4 hours a day. 2800 hours would mean 28 years of BS if you only have 2 hours BS per week. Paul had an intensive BS with a handfull of disciples in 2 years, what usually would be done by 28 years BS.
What was the consequence of this intensive daily Bible study? ..."
This is from Bonn UBF, but I have seen this text interpreted similarly in Heidelberg UBF - it's part of the UBF Bible interpretation canon. The quote shows in a typical way how UBF reads Bible passages, and then twists them to mean something different and support UBF practices, and then draws conclusions from that twisted interpretation. The first sentence is still ok. Paul surely did not just talk one-sidedly, but he discussed and disputed things with people. Other Bible translations use the word "reasoned" or "disputed" instead of "talked". But no Bible translation talks about "Bible study" or "testimony sharing" in the UBF way. These are the two things that UBF considers to be their "core values" (see Brian's last posting). So they try to make people believe these things are directly supported by the Bible, even though there is no evidence in the Bible at all. Also, the writer is trying to give the impression that UBF bible study is not one-sided, but it definitely is. You are not expected to "reason" or "dispute" in UBF, you are expected to "accept one word" which means accept UBF's interpretation of the text. And of course the fact that Paul talked every day does not mean that he talked to the same people every day. In fact, verse 10 suggests that he talked to different people from the area who visited the city and then spread his words. UBFers claim that the disciples were responsible for spreading the word, but obviously they couldn't have made intense BS for two years in the city and intense mission in the area at the same time. They claim that if UBFers follow that pattern of intense BS, there would be a spiritual revival. However, the passage also talks about other things that caused the revival, like "extraordinary miracles". They totally overlook these things. | |
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| What is "active integration"? Thank God my family doesn't have to find out. The thoughts on these 2nd gen websites (created by 1st gen Koreans) documents the unspoken and undocumented concerns and fears I had for years. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.europeubf.org/ylc-2011/ministry/ Basic strategy of Active Integration: - 2nd gens and shepherds need help equally.
- Priority: Have clear priority whether children or mission come first.
- It is the Holy Spirit who does the work. But the 2nd gens need help in following the guidance of the Holy Spirit: God’s word, spiritual value system, spiritual training ---------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------- ---- Here is the redefining vocabulary tactic in plain site. Faith, identity and vision are all re-defined and bound to UBFism: - Faith (insight and values): faith in God is the foundation of life. (“Go back to the Bible!”)
- Identity: identity as a people belonging to God and global leaders. (1 Peter 2:9)
- Vision: God’s vision toward me and my people. Understanding the importance of inheriting and passing down the spiritual legacy.
---------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------- ---- The website even asks "who are the next generation". A deceptive answer is given... everyone in leadership knows that ONLY the Korean children of Korean UBF missionaries are the true "2nd gens". Any other race is involved only as a form of appeasement. Who are the “NEXT GENERATION” we are referring to? Most studies define next generation leaders as individuals under the age of 40. According to the book „The Young Evangelicas“ by Robert E. Webber, the young generation refer to those born after 1975. This young generation, namely the next generation from a new leader group for the 21 century. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ And finally...empowering through Viagra...(I know this is just spam...but the forum is obviously not active. Why leave it out there?)
http://forum.empoweringubfnewgen.org/
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| Edit: There is now a RSQUBF Facebook page at: http://www.facebook.com/rsqubf. Like RSQUBF everybody! Hello fellow RSQUBF members! I was wondering if it would make sense to have a RSQUBF page on Facebook. I have since passed the torch to those that are more capable of leading than I, but I thought I should ask the question. I pray that God will continue to richly bless you and lead you in His love and grace. Cheers! | |
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| In May, it will be 20 years since I left UBF. Has it really been that long?
When I first left, I didn't know where I would live because I had shared apartments with UBF guys for most of the previous 10 years. (In the mid-80s, I changed apartments so many times that I used the center's address on my driver's license, instead of having an out-of-date address on my license most of the time.) I didn't know whether I would be able to find a church I could trust and where I could be comfortable. By the grace of God, both of these situations have been resolved. I won't say more about them here because I have discussed them in previous postings.
I think my subject line for this posting -- "Any regrets about leaving UBF?" -- has two sides. The first can be expressed like this: "Am I sorry that I left UBF?" The answer is a resounding "NO!!!" Leaving UBF was one of the best decisions I have ever made; the only taste of regret associated with it is that I wish it hadn't taken me 10+ years to reach the point where my eyes were opened and I had had enough.
The other side is something like this: "Is there anything I regret doing while I was in UBF?" This is the more difficult question. During my early days in the Columbus chapter, when the UBF misdeeds and atittudes which would later make my life such a turmoil were just mild misgivings, I encouraged my little sister to come to Bible study. She eventually moved into the women's apartment. She was confused when I left UBF but stayed a few years more until her own eyes were opened and she left on her own. Another person I witnessed to on campus also joined UBF and then stayed for a while after I left; he experienced the same confusion that my sister did. But at least they both woke up and left on their own terms when they realized what a trap UBF was. My only regret here is that I didn't feel I could talk to them while I was leaving and encourage them to leave sooner. But we have all since discussed this and we are happy that we got out when we did. So that regret is now all but nonexistent.
However, during the early 80s, I witnessed to a classmate who was interested in Bible study and began attending Sunday services. She eventually moved into one of the women's apartments and became as heavily involved in the chapter as my sister and I were. Then, about 3 or 4 years later, she was chosen to marry someone from the Chicago chapter by faith and was extremely excited and honored by the prospect. The last time we talked before she moved away to get married, she told me that she would never forget me or the influence that I had on her life.
I wish there had been a way I could have reached out to her when I was leaving and told her the truth about what UBF really is. I often wonder if she is still there and if she is still happy there. If she isn't happy, does she blame me since I'm the one that got her into UBF in the first place?
I think my only real regret about leaving UBF is that one of the people I got into the group might still be there, be unhappy, and consider me the source of her misery. | |
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| "We live in a contaminated moral environment. We fell morally ill because we became used to saying something different from what we thought. We learned not to believe in anything, to ignore each other, to care only about ourselves. Concepts such as love, friendship, compassion, humility, or forgiveness lost their depth and dimensions. ... Only a few of us were able to cry out loud that the powers that be should not be all-powerful." -- Vaclav Havel, December 1989. | |
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| This article may be also applicable to UBF: | |
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| From a news story on the Penn State-Jerry Sandusky scandal:
Throughout the interview, Sandusky repeatedly said that his actions and relationships with children were motivated by a pure love of children- in a protective and fatherly way as opposed to that of a paedophile.
'It was, you know, almost an extended family,' he said.
I should hold off on pronouncing the man guilty. After all, in America, we presume innocent until proven guilty. But the "motivated by love" and "extended family" rationalizations are ominously familiar. I've read and heard these rationalizations before in the discussion of spiritual abuse in UBF and other groups. If/when Sandusky is pronounced guilty, I'll have to say more about how evidence is considered in cases of abuse, whether it's sexual or spiritual abuse. | |
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| I'd forgotten about John Engler's recovery-focused Barnabas Ministry site. He is a former ICoC member whose insights former UBF members have found useful. | |
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| Yes, they're still at it. They're still celebrating "Founder's Day". These days, it's with powerpoint slide shows with old photos of Lee and family with shimmering background music. Here's another reminder, in the form of the following links, that UBF's founder was an unregenerate and abusive autocrat from pretty much the beginnings of UBF, as many have testified: It's said that some folks in UBF are waking up these days to the dark aspects and "ugly sides" of UBF, past and present. But from what I see, even those folks can't bring themselves to trace that darkness and ugliness back to its primary source. | |
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| Steve Job's helpful advice to UBF members:
“Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life. Don't be trapped by dogma - which is living with the results of other people's thinking. Don't let the noise of other's opinions drown out your own inner voice. And most important, have the courage to follow your heart and intuition. They somehow already know what you truly want to become. Everything else is secondary.” | |
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| I haven't watched this indy film yet, but it was recommended by the Wellspring Retreat and Resource Center, so you might give it a try. Link is http://www.paradiserecovered.com. | |
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| The UpperRoom www.upperroom.org/devotional I have found to be a very good daily devtional. l read it before I joined ubf and just rediscovered it. | |
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| I originally posted my text below as a reply to wcanfi's January 6, 2010 posting "My choice of 3 top UBF reforms absolutely necessary-yours?" but decided that it should be its own posting because I don't recall reading that much in RSQUBF about how people were affected by being forced to write sogams and life testimonies. Although I have no disagreements with any of the issues expressed in RSQUBF, I feel that the aftereffects of this kind of forced writing haven't been expressed that much. I hope that my experiences are helpful:
"I understand your desire for current UBF members to have a place where they can freely voice their concerns about people who leave UBF and about "cases of non-Christian, non-Biblical behavior among UBF members". However, I feel you have neglected another offense for which UBF leadership should be held accountable, one I'm not sure has been discussed in much detail.
I'm speaking of the practice of making select members divulge every single detail of their past lives, no matter how sordid or humiliating, ostensibly so God's grace and mercy can be revealed through the person's life testimony.
I experienced this indignity firsthand in 1984 when I was chosen to present my life testimony at the Lake Geneva conference. I was instructed to write everything I could remember from my life before UBF; my first draft was 50 pages long and I was told that I didn't write nearly enough. My 'shepherd' instructed me to write more and to leave nothing out. The final version ended up being over 120 handwritten, single-spaced pages long and I relived all the bullying, abuse, and trauma I had done my best to put behind me and move on from.
The testimony I read at Lake Geneva was less than 15 pages long and did a good job of revealing how my life had changed since I began studying the Bible. Although my audience didn't have to hear all the grim details of my life, I had still had to experience it all over again. Unfortunately, the abuse didn't end here.
All during the remaining years I was in UBF, I had the impression that the leaders of my chapter always viewed me through the lens of my life testimony and the negative details of my past life. No matter how I grew or what I accomplished, it seemed that the leaders felt I would always be the smoking, cussing, drinking, rebellious 18-year-old who had been fished off a local college campus in the summer of 1982. Even when I responded to the challenge to find and keep a full-time job for one year by keeping the same job for 3 years, this accomplishment was unacknowledged; never mind the fact that I attended college full-time at the same time and graduated with a 3.2 GPA. The fact that I graduated from college when I had never thought it possible was barely recognized.
The underlying reason for life testimonies is not to reveal God's grace in someone's life. Rather, they are used to expose everything in an individual's life so UBF leadership can hold their past transgressions over their heads and convince them that they will never be able to outlive their past. Please include this atrocity in your list of offenses for which UBF leaders must be held accountable." | |
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| While UBF hasn't exactly helped the face of college evangelism, College Christian parachurch ministries at large are facing more and more aggressive behavior from the unbelieving (and often liberal) College world at large. Even though Christians and Christian ministries are being discriminated against, it works in our favor as the courts have consistently ruled for the religious freedom of Christians and Christian groups. Although UBF is aberrant at the least, all Christian college groups--evangelical or otherwise--need our prayer and support in this critical decision. Follow the links below for more on the story... Christian Group vs. Hastings College of LawACLJ Supports | |
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| 1. Leadership accountability * Among other things, there is no open community forum anywhere within UBF for discussing the many cases of
those who left UBF either bitterly, out of fear, or out of Christian conscience
* Cases of non-Christian, non-Biblical behavior among UBF members have no open community forum anywhere
within UBF to discuss
* Top leadership "Board of Elders," un-elected, has unquestioned authority to do almost anything without feedback
from the general UBF community
2. Dependency on Samuel Lee * for Bible interpretation--impossible for one man to have all the answers * for American culture interpretation--Samuel Lee had a limited, even distorted view of American culture. Some primary examples: - individualism (Lee's tended not to include the positive aspects of self-reliance) - freedom (Lee's tended not to include the different forms: freedom of thought, of conscience, of will, of print, of worship for example) - music (Lee tended not to understand American music culture at all) * for Western family values (Lee tended not to understand this at all from Western point of view) * in short, Lee had very little understanding of American culture from the Western point of view, neglecting the deep Western European heritage and stereotyping it according to Korean and Asian viewpoints, and yet he acted with absolute authority to interpret American culture. This is a serious flaw in alleged missionary work in non-native cultures, which Lee claimed he was doing in America. Many current UBF members continue aping his narrow and distorted interpretations of Western/American culture to this day, and show reluctance if not resistance to understanding American culture as it is now and originated historically. "The Light and the Glory" founding fathers is not enough. 3. Financial disclosure: no regular, open community forum to discuss and vote upon Your top 3? Thanks...wcanfi | |
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| From a Times Online article on the increasingly embattled Church of Scientology:
The letters, which the senator has passed onto police, contained allegations of a range of crimes, including forced imprisonment, coerced abortions, embezzlement of church funds, physical violence, intimidation and blackmail.
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Among the letters he tabled was one from a former follower from Western Australia, who was born into Scientology. The man wrote in a letter that as a member of the organisation in both Australia and the US he had participated in the “forced confinement and torture” of others. His letter also states: “Several abortions were ordered as well”.
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| UBF's main purpose, which most ex-UBFers will recognize, and even UBFers themselves will agree with, is "disciple-making." The term "discipleship-training" is also used interchangeably. The program of "disciple-making" involves imitating what Jesus did in calling the twelve (later) apostles; namely, common life, Bible study, "history education," and preaching the gospel (world mission). There are two problems with having this as a stated purpose, aside from the fact that all authentic, born-again Christians wherever they are are struggling to be disciples of Jesus and to attract others to do the same, not just UBF.
First, the contradiction within UBF itself. All of the twelve disciples ran away from Jesus at the end (only one disciple unrepentantly betrayed Jesus). Jesus did not fault the eleven for this, however, but lovingly and mercifully sought them out after his resurrection. UBF, on the other hand, roundly criticizes anyone who leaves UBF for any reason, and makes it almost impossible for anyone to return, or at least to want to return. This is not only an incomplete imitation of Jesus, but runs counter to His own humbleness, mercy, and grace. UBF's conceited mind towards those who leave, usually expressed internally, is a problem they have yet to solve. Until it does so, there is much to be desired in its own description of itself as doing what Jesus did in raising disciples.
Secondly, and more importantly, "disciple-making" is impossible, humanly, if taken literally, as it often is in UBF. When did the disciples really become disciples? That is, in the sense of fully understanding Jesus and accepting His purpose for them, not to mention being enabled to do so? It was when the Holy Spirit was given to them at Pentecost, long after Jesus had gone back to heaven. UBF can have as nice and rigorous a program as they wish in trying to imitate how Jesus raised disciples, but this crucial element in "disciple making" will never be acquired by UBF, nor any other human. UBFers will answer that God is using them to make disciples. But sadly, too often its efforts to "make disciples" look more like pushing people to be Christian. Authentic calling and election are from the inside, a change in heart, through the action of the Holy Spirit and cannot be "made" by adherence to human training of any kind. There is something that is wrong with an organization that turns a deaf ear to so many people over the years who have experienced UBFers' "discipleship training" as pushy far beyond merely involving a set of high standards which are worthy and require effort to reach.
So, "disciple making" and "discipleship training" as expressly-stated main purposes are very naive at best, and grandiose or very dangerous at worst. If reformed Calvinist theology were truly followed in UBF, which it is not, although it is often purported to, then UBF leaders would have to step aside, and pull Samuel Lee aside especially, and let God be seen and glorified more clearly. This would, it is true, threaten UBF's very foundations as it stands, but in the long run would be the best for it, and help it to truly live for the glory of God, instead of one man.
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| We know about the case of the current European UBF head honcho Peter Chang marrying his 18 year old son to a woman 6-7 years his senior from a New Jersey UBF chapter some years ago. Now, from a UBF report, another case:
"On Feb. 5th, 2009, M. Henoch Hong of Heidelberg UBF (the first son of M. Kaleb & Sarah Hong) married Sh. Jung Min Kim of YonHee center...
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When Sh. David Kim of YonHee center wanted to introduce a girl to Henoch, he sent Sh. Jung Min Kim’s small picture and life testimony. M. Kaleb asked his son, 'Do you want to make a decision about your marriage after looking at a girl’s picture, or can you decide by faith without looking at them?' Then he suggested, 'If you have to decide by looking at pictures, let’s just send this back.' At that time, M. Henoch answered, 'I will decide it by faith without reading the testimony, nor looking at pictures.' When he decided by faith, he realized that God gave him the best co-worker – the most beautiful and artistic woman of faith with a compassionate shepherd heart..."
Uh, yeah. Sounds like bad craziness to me, whether from a Christian or secular perspective. While UBF is holding an extravagant conference in Europe and playing the public relations game to the hilt to try to convince mainline churches that they are "normal," we know what their actual practices are and what they try to push on their second generation and student recruits. | |
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| (This was posted as a comment to another thread, but I want to highlight it by posting it here.) This was what the reprehensible Ron Ward wrote earlier this year (2008) in http://chicagoubf.org/messages/message/338 : II. Jesus recognized a widow's pure worship (41-44). ... One godly American woman faced a difficult financial challenge after her husband left her. She had to get a job and support her five boys without receiving regular child support payments. In that difficult situation, she offered a tithe to God no matter what. And God opened his storehouse of blessing. She prospered in her job and found God's provision in various ways. She was able to buy a van, and even a house and provide for her sons, who are growing in the knowledge of God. As we hear these stories, they sound like love stories between godly women and their generous God. "...after her husband left her?" Ward fails to mention that the "one godly 'American' woman" was the one who filed for divorce from her husband and that the motivation for her UBF-leader-encouraged filing was his opposition to UBF. He also tries to make the man sound like a deadbeat dad who took off and was never heard from again other than sending sporadic child support. What utter rubbish and so revealing, but not unexpected from THE Samuel Lee protege. This is yet another illustration of how toxic and destructive UBF marriages can become. Ward, as expected, is also a complete butcher when it comes to correct biblical interpretation. Among other hermeneutic atrocities, he tries to tie the story of the poor widow's offering to that UBF staple teaching, the basis of their offering-by-compulsion program, the "offering begets heavenly blessing" fallacy (See also http://www.livejournal.com/users/rsqubf/61454.html and http://community.livejournal.com/rsqubf/133676.html). | |
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