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Message on Blind Obedience 
9th-Nov-2005 08:20 pm
Here is a message on blind obedience from UBF.

Look at verses 2-3. “...saying to them, Go to the village ahead of you, and at once you will find a donkey tied there, with her colt by her. Untie them and bring them to me. If anyone says anything to you, tell him that the Lord needs them, and he will send them right away.’” In the last part of verse 2, the phrase “The Lord needs them” has a very important meaning in our Christian faith. When we review what Jesus said in verses 2-3, we find that it was a very uncommon instruction to his two disciples. In short, Jesus said, “Go and bring someone else’s donkey and her colt.” This donkey must have belonged to a widow. She loved her donkey like her own daughter. Her joy was to caress and stroke her back several times a day. As a widow, this might have been her joy of life. One day the donkey gave birth to a colt. The widow was even more joyful. But Jesus instructed two of his disciples, “Go to the village ahead of you, and at once you will find a donkey tied there, with her colt by her. Untie them and bring them to me. If anyone says anything to you, tell him that the Lord needs them, and he will send them right away.” This was a very unusual command of Jesus to them. Jesus had taught them only about the holiness of God, a sanctified life, a compassionate heart toward the needy and poor, and healing and preaching. All of a sudden he said to them, “Go and bring someone else’s donkey and her colt.” It sounded very ridiculous to his two disciples and they could not believe their ears. What is more, this instruction didn’t match his teaching, for it seemed to be an instruction to steal another’s colt and donkey. The disciples could have asked, “What kind of instruction is this?” or “Tell us the meaning of it, we don’t understand.” But they didn’t do so. They took Jesus’ words to heart and obeyed.
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10th-Nov-2005 03:02 am (UTC)
Matthew 21:1-11

Ok. Someone please read verses 2-3 and tell me if Jesus is telling his disciples to steal a donkey and a colt. This UBF message interprets the incidence as though Jesus commanded his disciples to steal a donkey and a colt and amazingly they obeyed Jesus command to steal them without raising any questions. Mr. Samuel Lee seems to praise the disciples absolute(?) obedience to steal the donkey. He seems to say that the disciples’ obedience is praiseworthy because they obeyed Jesus’ command to steal them without any question even though his command was very questionable and even against his own teaching. Here he shows his error in understanding the difference between “absolute” obedience and “blind” obedience. Most of all he is making a big mistake in interpreting Jesus’ command as a command to steal other’s donkey.

Verse 3 clearly says, “If anyone says anything to you, tell him that the Lord needs them, and he will send them right away.” Jesus clearly told the disciple to get permission from the owner. Since Jesus is the Lord of everything, he really doesn’t need anyone’s permission. He can override anyone’s ownership. But Jesus clearly said in verse 3 that the disciples still should respect the ownership of the person who owned the donkey. Indeed this is exactly what happened. We see that in other gospel, the disciples explaining the owner and getting permission from him. Now then was Jesus telling them to steal the donkey? Was Jesus “training” them to obey his command with no questions asked? Was Jesus telling them to obey very questionable practice with no questions asked? I think absolutely not. Jesus’ command was very reasonable to be obeyed.

What Mr. Lee is preaching is the blind obedience. When a leader tries to do something very questionable, you are either praised for “absolute” (I mean blind) obedience by going along with him or accused of being “humanistic” and “proud” rebel by going against it. Mr. Lee is preaching that if you don’t obey him blindly, God will punish you with all the terrible things he lists below:

Then soon one of the doctors, who was an anaesthesiologist, overdosed a patient for an operation and the patient died. So he lost his medical doctor’s license. Now he is running a grocery store very poorly. Another one, influenced by American relativism, cursed the servant of God. Then he left UBF. After several years, he was in a severe car accident. His body was totally crushed and his hands and feet were paralyzed. The third one got a proper job. But he has rheumatism in his right leg and in his left hand. He suffers day and night. All these events happened when they took God’s word lightly. This is to say that when we obey God’s word, God blesses us; when we disobey, God does not bless us.

Mr. Lee is not preaching the absolute obedience to Jesus but the blind obedience to his absolute leadership by using the disciples’ obedience as an example.
10th-Nov-2005 04:41 am (UTC)
"Ok. Someone please read verses 2-3 and tell me if Jesus is telling his disciples to steal a donkey and a colt. "

Of course not. It is absurd for Samuel Lee to even make such a claim. Of course you answered your own question quite well." Was Jesus telling them to obey very questionable practice with no questions asked? I think absolutely not."
10th-Nov-2005 07:02 am (UTC) - Straying
In Revelation, the Holy Spirit commands us "If anyone adds to takes away from these words , let his name be erased out of the Book of Life, Amen."

However, we see Samuel Lee doing both things at the same time.
He certainly takes away from the written words, by making it look like Jesus had no respect for ownership, also by making it vague how the ownership issues were while at the same time adding his own content (if it HAD been a poor old widow, the Bible would have told us that, I presume) and the end result is that from Jesus' love filling the heart of the owner even in His absence, we get a message on oh so poor the widow and now the disciples steal from her.
Lee doesn't need a Bible in the first place, he just needs an outline and then he makes up his own Bible after that. When I was in Bible seminary, one young brother approached me and asked me "How do you know so much background information about the Bible?" I didn't realize what he meant, but later it became obvious: during my time in UBF, I had taken it for "granted" that this little "extra information" that was presented during UBF messaegs was right, and I used it. In fast, if you look at UBF's sunday messages, they claim that it's a passage-based Bible sermon, but it's really a UBF indoctrination session with a few Bible verses thrown in to "prove" the point. Throw all the UBF things out that are contrary to or not mentioned in the Bible, and those 4-6 pages get reduced to a half, namely the Bible verses itself.
Everything that UBF has to add is of little to no spiritual value. This is the truth of that ministry. There is little biblical preaching in UBF, there's only make-believe going on, suggesting to the audience that UBF is somehow right in their claims when they claim that the Bible supports their ideology.

It all boils down to a wrong method of studying the Scriptures: you have your concept and then you make the passaeg fit into your concept. Because the Bible is so broad, that's nearly always possible. But it's not nearly always correct, in fact, this is the way to close the Bible instead of opening it up to the audience and yourself.

10th-Nov-2005 09:12 pm (UTC) - Re: Straying
during my time in UBF, I had taken it for "granted" that this little "extra information" that was presented during UBF messaegs was right,

It is not surprising. I fully identify myself with your view. Just consider what you have to do in UBF. Anyone in UBF has to listen to the same message again and again, not only that but you also have to "copy" down the same message in your testimony again and again, and you share it in front of other people again and again and you have to listen again and again to others' testimonies that are almost exactly the same as yours. You do this every sunday, during every one-to-one indoctrination session, every fellowship meeting, every friday night meeting, every saturday meeting, easter conference, summer conference, world mission report, leader's conference, spring bible school, fall bible school, chrismas worship service and on and on. Just think about what you have to do in each and every conference:

You have to listen to the same message again and again, not only that but you also have to "copy" down the same message in your testimony again and again, and you share it in front of other people again and again and you have to listen again and again to others' testimonies that are almost exactly the same as yours.</i> You do this for several days from 7AM till well 11PM nonstop, absolutely. I am wondering why UBF has so many conferences like that.

If you miss any one of all these, you are a child of Satan or you have a problem. If you deviate even one line from Mr. Lee's message, you are a proud rebel. When anyone goes through this kind of intensive indoctrination, it would be surprising if he would not orient his mindset according to Mr. Lee's personal philosophy. This kind of indoctrination can be found only in countries run by a leader with absolute authortiy such as North Korea. Every North Korean believes that Kim Jung Ill is the greatest leader in history who is protecting his country from the devilish contries like USA and Japan. Even a little child in North Korea believes that he is forever indebted to the great leader.

Another point I must make clear is that what is at concern here is not the intensive Bible study. It is the intensive false indoctrination. It is clear that Mr. Lee's messages contains a lot of content other than what is in the Bible. And all other UBF messages are exact copies of his personal views. A lot of these contents that have nothing to do with the Bible are being transmitted through all these intensive activities in UBF and the members are "forced" to adopt these other contents not in the Bible, especially through testimony writing and sharing it in public. For example, why is it so important to obey his authority or any UBF leader's authority absolutely in order to study the Bible? In fact in UBF all these extra contents other than the Bible seem to have more authority than the Bible itself. This is what is at concern about UBF that something other than the Bible is considered to have more authority, especially Mr. Lee's authority and his loyal followers' authority. That is what defines in principle UBF to be a cult.
10th-Nov-2005 10:43 am (UTC)
That was a very good point, human12. I remember that it was preached similarly here in Heidelberg, and was irritating to me even at that time.

He teaches two points at the same time. You already pointed this out very well, but I want to summarize once more:

1) Absolute obedience towards leaders. The underlying UBF teaching is: "Even if you don't understand your UBF leaders or think their commands are violating ethical or Biblical standards, obey. (Then you will blessed)." This has been also called "covering" principle. If you obey your leaders, you are not responsible. Even if it was wrong, you leaders will "cover" your sins.

For further reading on "covering": http://shamar.org/articles/covering.htm

2) It also teaches: Learn to hurt people, learn to not care about their feelings. We may do everything as long as it is good for UBF = God's ministry. "We have to overcome human rights". UBF is standing above the law and is not bound to human or Biblical ethical norm, because it is fullfilling the "great commandment." Also known as "end justifies the means" ideology. Mr. Lee implanted that teaching very deeply into members through passages like this one. Another well-known example is how Jesus "hurt the feelings of the Samaritian wife." They teach that even stealing and lying is allowed if it is for the sake of UBF, although the Bible clearly condmens stealing and lying. And they teach that we have to disrespect the feelings of our "sheep" and also our parents.

This example also shows very good their method of Bible twisting: Take a passage. Then add some imaginary ideas of your own, like about the widow who loved her donkey so much. Things that are not written in the Bible. Interpret everything in the context of UBF and UBF ideology, not in the context of the Bible. Then draw you conclusions, twisting and stretching everything even more until it fits your needs.

Then they call it "Bible study." I call it Bible twisting and Bible abuse. Mr. Lee definitely was not a Bible teachers, but a false teacher.

Peter wrote about these people (please read this quote, it fits so very well to Mr. Lee and UBF):

"But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping."
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