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"Fruitlessness in UBF" 
15th-Dec-2005 11:31 am
Pigpen
And oldie but a goodie from back in late 2000:


(Posted by "ex-member" on 11/20/2000)

Fruitlessness in UBF

I wanted to post a subject to examine and discuss why UBF has been so fruitless in America over the past twenty years. If you look at the breakdown of the nationalities of UBF members you will still find that a majority of UBF members in America are Korean. What this says to me is that if UBF considers America to be a mission field it has basically been very unfruitful over the past years. My guess is that there are maybe a couple of thousand Koreans here in America and maybe a couple of hundred American staff members. Obviously a church full of missionaries should be more fruitful than this and actually the growth rate is stagnant to falling in UBF right now.

So why is this? Well one good thing to do is blame the Americans with some lines I've heard from Korean missionaries: "Americans are so hedonistic, how can we plant the Gospel in their heart?" or "Americans do not have mission, thats why they can't commit to the UBF disciple's life." Well thats nice to say except for the fact that this is shifting the blame, and totally denying the sovereignty of God.

Some people in UBF have questioned this web site saying "Why hinder God's work? Leave UBF alone and start serving God." Two points: Firstly maybe we are serving God by voicing these concerns which the Spirit is prompting in us. Secondly God's work has already been hindered through UBF's unfruitfulness and possibly it is because they are ignoring the voice of the Spirit of God.

This issue of fruitlessness is very important to acknowledge and address. Matthew 7:18,20 states "A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them." If the ultimate judgment of a tree's true inner character is the fruit it produces, UBF is in a very bad situation.

Following that we find these verses "Not everyone who says to me, `Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, `Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?'Then I will tell them plainly, `I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!"

Maybe the reply of some UBF members will be "Lord, Lord, did we not teach the Bible in your name, and in your name do campus fishing?" But Jesus may reply "You did not truly do the will of my Father in heaven."

So if UBF is unfruitful, which is an outward sign of its inner character, maybe they are not doing the will of the Father in heaven- they are rejecting the Holy Spirit. This is so important because UBF still considers itself the premiere church of God, ignoring the reality God is showing them. By continually denying the Spirit they are also hurting many young college students, who trust them as spiritual guides.

So why is UBF fruitless? Is it because they are not doing the will of our Father in heaven? Maybe it is because of their attitude that everyone should be the same, namely a Bible teacher and missionary, when the Bible clearly tells us there is a diversity of gifts given and many different positions we should have.
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15th-Dec-2005 04:43 pm (UTC) - Couple of thousands?
"My guess is that there are maybe a couple of thousand Koreans here in America and maybe a couple of hundred American staff members."

Not that the numbers matter that much. If UBF had managed to grow exponentially in the 30+ years in North America, the truth is, they would still be considered a cult or sect, because their practices would still be considered extra-biblical to unbiblical. As it is, they have managed to chew up and spit out more damaged souls than they have managed to retain as members.

And by the latest actual count, the number of UBF Koreans in all of North America is less than 600 and the number of non-Koreans is, of course, considerably less than that.
18th-Dec-2005 05:02 am (UTC) - Re: Couple of thousands?
by the latest actual count, the number of UBF Koreans in all of North America is less than 600 and the number of non-Koreans is, of course, considerably less than that.

That latest actual count is from late 2005. Judging by these numbers, this "genuine work of God in this generation" is little more than a minor sect, at least in N. America. To quote from here:

"UBF has become a silly little frog in a little pond, who thinks that little pond is the whole world."

Now contrast their minor sect-level size with the probably millions of dollars that they've spent on real estate in N. America.
23rd-Dec-2005 01:14 pm (UTC) - Re: Couple of thousands?
Now contrast their minor sect-level size with the probably millions of dollars that they've spent on real estate in N. America.


We can also contrast their minor sect-level size with their constant numbers emphasis: 120 attendants at every chapter, 561 "full-time shepherds," and 10,000 "housechurches (arranged marriages)", and now 100,000 "missionaries."
30th-Dec-2005 05:09 pm (UTC) - Re: Couple of thousands?
And by the latest actual count, the number of UBF Koreans in all of North America is less than 600 and the number of non-Koreans is, of course, considerably less than that.

I should also clarify that that "less than 600" figure for UBF Koreans includes a handful (<10) of older 2nd generations UBFers. I don't have a figure or estimate for the number of all 2nd generation UBFers there are in N. America. But I think they must be seen as a key to "numeric growth" for UBF, growth through reproduction.
15th-Dec-2005 07:10 pm (UTC) - UBF rejects the work of the Holy Spirit
"Two points: Firstly maybe we are serving God by voicing these concerns which the Spirit is prompting in us. Secondly God's work has already been hindered through UBF's unfruitfulness and possibly it is because they are ignoring the voice of the Spirit of God.....

By continually denying the Spirit they are also hurting many young college students, who trust them as spiritual guides."

This is exactly right.

16th-Dec-2005 12:00 pm (UTC) - Fruits
The Bible is clear that the "fruit" of the Christian life are not numbers, but "the fruit of the Holy Spirit".
Paul took his time to define these: Love, care, compassion, charity, honesty, integrity - those are real fruit, and these need to be multiplied in the Christian life.

UBF isn't really a major on these things, they made up their own definition of "fruit", but they're a miserable failure even according to their own standards.

The reality is, people are spontaneously, subconsciously attracted to an environment where fruit of the Holy Spirit is abounding, but in UBF, those fruit are lacking, and this is why people see nothing there that makes them *want* to stay. The only people who stay in UBF are those who feel under pressure to not leave. Nobody has a "solace of rest" in UBF, and this is what the Gospel message is about: comig to rest and enjoy the Lord's presence.

UBF can not offer that, this is why they're lacking numbers.
Numbers are not a proof that you're right, but when numbers are lacking, it's also a sign something is awry. But I wouldn't focus on numbers as UBF does, but much rather focus on the underlying fundamental issue: absence of fruit of the Holy Spirit.
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