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UBF Message Softens Abortion 
12th-Jun-2006 05:18 pm
Part of UBF's dirty history is that Samuel Lee ordered some women to have abortions in the name of God's mission. Previous discussions revealed that UBF members do not have a firm stance that abortion is murder and a horrible sin in the eyes of God. At the 2004 Summer Bible Conference, Amy Young asked Sarah Barry what she thought of abortion? Barry responded "Well, in my opinion it's wrong; I'm against it. But you know me; I never got married. I never had the chance." UBF members will not hold Samuel Lee accountable for such terrible sins and have been willing to defend him. In yesterday's Sunday message, UBF reveals that they do not believe that abortion is murder in the sight of God.


The following is a quote from the Chicago UBF message delivered on Sunday, June 11, 2006. The message is based on Matthew 15:1-20 and titled, "The Commands of God and the Traditions of Men"

"In verses 4-6, Jesus dealt with a specific command of God to give a concrete example. Yet the general truth that Jesus teaches applies on a broader scope. All of the Ten Commandments are the absolutes of God and must be honored above tradition, human reason and all manner of human teachings. In light of this passage it is essential to discern between modern culture and the Ten Commandments. There are things that are legal in our nation and culture which are a violation of the Ten Commandments. For example, it is a legal right in many modern societies to abort an unborn baby. Being legal does not make it right. It is virtual murder in the sight of God."

In the portion of the message, the UBF messenger writes that the legality of abortion in many countries does not make in right. Then, he writes that abortion is virtual murder in the sight of God. Why did the messenger add virtual to the sentence? Why did he not just write "It [Abortion] is murder in the sight of God? The answer is that UBF wanted to soften the sin of abortion by using the word virtual.

The definition of virtual, according to the Merriam-Webster online dictionary is "being such in essence or effect though not formally recognized or admitted." By using the adjective virtual, the writer claims that abortion is "in essence" murder, but is "not formally recognized or admitted" to be murder. Thus, in the sight of God abortion is not murder or God does not recognize or admit abortion to be murder. This slight addition of one word to soften abortion reveals UBF's continued relativistic viewpoint of abortion. This message is telling UBF members that abortion is not right in God's sight, but do not consider those who abort to be murderers.

UBF leaders continually fail to take a clear stance on an issue. If UBF really believed that abortion is murder in the eyes of God, the Sunday messenger at their world headquarters would have said so. UBF wants to play both ends. They want to deliver a message stating that abortion is "not right" to appease critics, but does not want to clearly state that God considers abortion to be murder to avoid offending the pro-choice Lee-loyalist leaders remaining in UBF
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12th-Jun-2006 11:26 pm (UTC)
Anyway, at least they admit it's "virtual" murder. I have heard worse opinions from Korean UBF missionaries. Joe, what would the UBF president say if you'd confront him with the fact that Samuel Lee "virtually" committed murder according to a UBF sermon?

By the way, we find the same dilemma with the forced divorces. You will find UBF sermons (somebody gave an example from Toledo UBF), in which you will find clear statements that divorce is sin, and one should never never think about divorce etc. Without any "virtual" softening. You cannot imagine any clearer stance. Yet, divorce from UBF apostates was so often sanctioned and encouraged or even enforced. We have give many examples.

The problem with UBF is not only that they teach wrong and twisted things, but also that they often teach the right thing, but *do* the exact opposite. For instance, Kaleb Hong preaching that UBF is an "organism, not an organisation." Sounds so good. But he behaves like an organization man and puts the organization above everything. Or they many UBF leader who swear that "UBF is nothing" but in reality they act as if UBF is everything. Or how the leaders teach so many things members should do, but they don't do it themselves. You can find hundreds of such examples. What they say and what they do, what they teach and what they practice, their nice words and reality are often so diametrically opposite, but still people don't stumble over it. I noticed this in other cults as well. Somehow cult members learn that reality and their cult world are two things that exist separate from each other.

I wonder whether in the message "The Commands of God and the Traditions of Men" they also mentioned traditions such as Sogam writing, 1:1 Bible study, wearing suit and tie, etc.
13th-Jun-2006 12:51 am (UTC)
Joe, what would the UBF president say if you'd confront him with the fact that Samuel Lee "virtually" committed murder according to a UBF sermon?

The UBF president was confronted with this fact in February. His reaction? He laughed and asked an irrelevant question in reply. He laughed.

The UBF president has expressed his "pro-choice" sympathies in the past, and I would estimate that most of the other M.D.s on the UBF Board of Directors are of the same persuasion. It's no wonder that abortion is only "virtual" murder in Chicago UBF.
14th-Jun-2006 10:45 pm (UTC) - Virtual Murder is not Good Enough
Anyway, at least they admit it's "virtual" murder. I have heard worse opinions from Korean UBF missionaries.

Sure, it is better than the past. The message would have never included anything negative about abortion when Lee was alive. But, it is still not good enough. Any legitimate Christian pastor would only state abortion is murder in the sight of God without any additions. Further, UBF leaders know about the abortinons of the past. If they really wanted to make a clear statement about their believe they would have never used "virtual."

(I know that UBF never makes any clear statements about themselves. I am analyzing them from the standpoint of what a true Christian church would do, which is what UBF falsely claims to be)

14th-Jun-2006 11:13 pm (UTC) - Misapplication of Point About Divorce
By the way, we find the same dilemma with the forced divorces. You will find UBF sermons (somebody gave an example from Toledo UBF), in which you will find clear statements that divorce is sin, and one should never never think about divorce etc. Without any "virtual" softening. You cannot imagine any clearer stance. Yet, divorce from UBF apostates was so often sanctioned and encouraged or even enforced. We have give many examples.

Right after the abortion statements in the message, the messenger wrote:

"Again, it is legal to divorce with no fault in Illinois. Even adulterers can divorce their spouses and walk away without any fault assigned to them. However, adultery is always a grave sin before God."

The messenger misrepresented no-fault divorce by claiming that adulterers can divorce with no-fault. There is still "fault" divorce in Illinois. "Fault grounds for divorce in Illinois include impotency, bigamy, adultery, desertion for one year, habitual drunkenness or drug addiction for two years, an attempt to take the life of the other, physical or mental cruelty, conviction of a felony or other infamous crime, infecting the other with a sexually transmitted disease." Information provided by: Ernest Walton, Esq. located at http://www.divorcejustice.com. A google search will find numerous sources with the same information.

Adultery is on of the types of fault divorces permitted in Illinois. Adulterers would not be able to walk away without any fault being assigned to them. Instead of speaking out against no-fault divorces or divorce in general, the messenger makes a false claim that adulterers are not accountable in Illinois. The UBF messenger should have checked his facts before making erroneous statements about divorce in Illinois.

In the future, the messenger will take advantage of no-fault divorce in Illinois when one partner in a marriage leaves UBF as they have in the past.
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17th-Jun-2006 02:50 am (UTC) - ubf Divorce
If they do not have children, they really don't need lawyers. Usually the party filing for the divorce should have a lawyer draft the complaint, then the other party just pays a fee and responds to the complaints. Without children they could get divorced in just two or three trips to the courtroom. With attorneys involved, lots of time is wasted to generate fees for the lawyers. The law in Illinois mandates dividing marital property 'equitably', so fighting doesn't really accomplish anything.

If anyone is enduring ubfdivorce, they may contact me and I will gladly give them the straight scoopage.

I feel sorry for those young people who trusted their ubfleaders and ubfshepherds, who are abandoning them in their time of real need. ubf leaders are the scum of the earth.
21st-Jun-2006 04:17 pm (UTC) - Re: ubf Divorce
I can't find my original report about this "marriage problem" in Chicago UBF, so here it is again:

This bit about divorce in the last UBF Sunday sermon-thing may have been prompted by what could be another imminent divorce in Chicago UBF (lawyers may already have been retained). It involves the marriage of the "prodigal son" UBF 2ndgen who was mentioned here. A lot was made of his having "changed so much." He got married to another Chicago UBF 2ndgen last year. The story of the prodigal son takes a strange UBF turn, again.

Concerning the marriage, it seems to have been the typical arranged (forced) match, even though we're talking about 2nd gens from the same UBF chapter here. They, unfortunately, are having to reap what their UBF leaders have sown again.
13th-Jun-2006 02:06 am (UTC)
All of the Ten Commandments are the absolutes of God and must be honored above tradition, human reason and all manner of human teachings.

Here we have the obligatory UBF attack on reason, trying to pit God's commands vs. reason. It should be perfectly reasonable to miss a UBF Sunday meeting to attend to a sick loved one or to attend one's home church in one's home town during a vacation. But since the UBF 4th Commandment is "Thou shalt never fail to keep the Sabbath holy by always attending the UBF Sunday worship service no matter what," no "humanly reasonable" excuse is acceptable.

UBF also seems to consider essential concepts such as universal human rights to be human creations ("all manner of human teachings"). So then, if UBF's "unique" interpretations of the Ten Commandments should violate a "human teaching" such as human rights, then of course, human rights must be trampled on.

Then there's the unspoken 11th Commandment in UBF: The Servant of God may violate all the Commandments if his "motives" are good.

In light of this passage it is essential to discern between modern culture and the Ten Commandments. There are things that are legal in our nation and culture which are a violation of the Ten Commandments.

By focusing on modern culture, UBF leaves itself wiggle room to continue to fuse Korean culture into its brand of Christianity and continue to use the accompanying "cultural misunderstandings" excuse. Legalized abortion is "virtual" murder, but Confucianistic authoritarianism is A-Okay. By focusing only on the Ten Commandments' clash with modern culture, UBF takes the focus off the fact that its own hyper-authoritarian culture clashes with the commands of Christ.
13th-Jun-2006 03:06 am (UTC) - Sara Bury
Sara Bury excused herself from examination by claiming that she never had any encounter with abortion because she never married. As we all know, a woman does not have to marry in order to have sex, get pregnant, and have the child killed thru abortion.

I know for a fact that Bury was the victim of a gang rape. She told me personally. Did she become pregnant and possibly have an abortion? Pure speculation. But, Bury cannot say that because she was never married, the specter of abortion never entered her life, "I never married, so I never had the chance." This is complete bull. Many unmarried women have abortions. Personally, I highly doubt that Bury has been a virgin all her life (how could she if she was gang raped?). There were rumors by long-time ubfKoreans that she had relations with EE Chang Woo.

Bury is a lying, babbling, deceiver. Not one one word from her lips is truthful.

And yes, abortion is murder. And yes, ubf leaders have no regard for unborn children. The ubf doctors are quack doctors. The ubf Bible 'scholars' are charlatans.
15th-Jun-2006 11:15 pm (UTC) - Re: Sara Bury
Whatever her situation in life was, shouldn't she have the solid foundation of the Bible, rather than personal experience, as her moral yardstick? Then again, it never really was the Bible that decided UBF morals in my experience - it was simply whatever the member felt like doing, as long as they called it acting in "faith".
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