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Holly Lord 
22nd-Jan-2007 11:27 am
Last week I accidentally ran across several discussions about myself on the web, regarding University Bible Fellowship (UBF). That is how I eventually came to this forum. People in UBF would have known me as Holly Lord.

Here are the posts I saw from 2002:

and from 2004:

and from October of 2006:

I have to admit, I was surprised to see that I was not only remembered but also being discussed more than ten years after I had left the organization. I had been involved with UBF for about five and a half years, from 1988 until 1993.

I began to think about my experience in UBF. I read a number of posts by former members, such as those posted at http://www.ubf-net.de/int/rep/index.en.htm and posts on the boards listed above. Many things came back to me which I had forgotten, and I learned things about UBF's abuses that I did not know before. I have posted a testimony about my experience in UBF at http://www.geocities.com/holly.lord/ubf.html.

22nd-Jan-2007 10:50 pm (UTC) - Hi Holly

I remember you well when you were in Chicago. It was so rare back then that they could recruit an American girl still in HS. Glad to hear that you are doing so well and are so happy. Good for you. Your testimony is very simple, nice to read.

Do you ever have any contact from the people who considered themselves your good friends back in the ubf? Did they ever give you the parting condemnations, like you were not a child of God or going to heaven, or that you were demon-possessed, etc?

I wish you and yours the best always.

23rd-Jan-2007 04:39 am (UTC) - Re: Hi Holly
Hi, Nick, and thanks. I tried to keep it simple. There were so many things I remembered, and I could have gone on and on with details, but I didn't want to wander down too many bunny trails.

After I left, as I mentioned, I spoke with John Bird on the phone once. Jim Rabchuk left a message on my answering machine, but I never called him, of course. I saw Joe a few times on campus, just walking by, and it was awkward. I think one time he just nodded a little and other times he said hi. I don't think I ever saw Sharon again, but the Schafers moved to a different neighborhood at some point, so there was less opportunity to run into them than when they lived down the street from me.

Dave Barro was the only person I remember talking with a few times. He knew both me and Matthew and was always nice to us. I remember having a "catching up" type conversation with him, like you'd have with anyone you met who you had not seen in a while. I think he had gone back to UBF at that point. If he invited me back to UBF, I don't remember it.

Jim Rabchuk and Sarah Barry tried to visit me when they came in town for the Lemmon wedding. I think they left a message on my answering machine then, too.

Offhand, I can't remember any other contact with UBF members after I left. If anyone had any parting condemnations, they did not share them with me. I was actually a little surprised when I read Chris' post that Samuel Lee didn't have anything all that harsh to say about my leaving. I guess my uncommunicativeness with UBF members after I left and my distance from Chicago didn't give him a lot of material to work with. "Ran away" was probably the mildest condemnation he gave in this sort of case. If memory serves, his description when people left was usually something along the lines of "became a mental patient" or "was demon possessed," but I was categorized simply as "ran away." It's kind of gratifying to know that I stood so highly in his opinion!   ROFL

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