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Holly Lord 
22nd-Jan-2007 11:27 am
Last week I accidentally ran across several discussions about myself on the web, regarding University Bible Fellowship (UBF). That is how I eventually came to this forum. People in UBF would have known me as Holly Lord.

Here are the posts I saw from 2002:
http://rsqubf.fortunecity.net/discuss/archive/holly_lord.html
http://rsqubf.fortunecity.net/discuss/archive/2782.html
http://rsqubf.fortunecity.net/discuss/archive/2791.html

and from 2004:
http://www.voy.com/60734/9/7731.html
http://www.voy.com/60734/9/7733.html
http://www.voy.com/60734/9/7820.html
http://www.voy.com/60734/9/7821.html

and from October of 2006:
http://drchungj.blogspot.com/#116086583401162943

I have to admit, I was surprised to see that I was not only remembered but also being discussed more than ten years after I had left the organization. I had been involved with UBF for about five and a half years, from 1988 until 1993.

I began to think about my experience in UBF. I read a number of posts by former members, such as those posted at http://www.ubf-net.de/int/rep/index.en.htm and posts on the boards listed above. Many things came back to me which I had forgotten, and I learned things about UBF's abuses that I did not know before. I have posted a testimony about my experience in UBF at http://www.geocities.com/holly.lord/ubf.html.

-Holly
Comments 
30th-Jan-2007 06:39 am (UTC)
Thank you so much for your thoughtful writing about Dr. Joe Schafer and his ultimatum. It is very interesting to me that Dr. Schafer didn't want to teach you the Bible any more because he thought there was a marriage problem.

It is hard to believe that Dr. Schafer who claims to be a Bible teacher told you to leave him because he believed that there was a marriage problem. If he is a Bible teacher, he should bless his sheep when he "thinks" that his sheep met a nice person and continue to teach the Bible to the sheep so that they can develop a godly relationship.

According to this mission report, a UBF missionary in Turkey rebuked his sheep because the sheep was not willing to break up her relationship with her boyfriend. This UBF missionary thinks that he acted according to the truth of God. This kind of UBF theology is very unbiblical. One option that the UBF missionary could have taken was that he could have helped his sheep to develop a godly relationship with her boyfriend until she came to the conclusion that the relationship was not from God. Is breaking up any relationship is the only way from God?

Dr. Schafer and other UBF leaders have very business-minded attitude toward marriage and other relationship includign family. UBF marriage by faith is a way to keep UBF members committed to UBF organization. They think that making a couple marry inside UBF is a good way to make the couple settle down in UBF. In this way, they increase the number of committed members. But the Bible says that the responsibility of any Bible teacher is to honor any human relationship and help sheep develop godly relationship through teaching the Bible deeply to follow God's leading in the relationship. But Dr. Schafer failed to do it. He was only acting as a selfish businessman and did not lay down his business-mindedness to serve his sheep to the end.
30th-Jan-2007 08:36 pm (UTC)
It is very interesting to me that Dr. Schafer didn't want to teach you the Bible any more because he thought there was a marriage problem. -human12

I don't think he expected me to leave.
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