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It's an old strategy actually 
31st-Jan-2007 09:00 am
I think what we just need to realize is that UBF does not only recruit young students to become their rank-and-file members, but they also try (on a smaller scale) to win some credible persons like scholars, parents etc. who will grant some of their credibility to UBF. They are using of course different strategies here. While the young students are first love-bombed and then trained and abused, the future apologists receive only the love- and honor-bombing. So they make a difference between the worker bees and the apologists. They also have a few such apologist leaders in their own ranks. Daniel Hong was one of them, or Brian Karcher. These people are also treated differently from the rank and file to make sure they always paint a good picture of UBF.

They have done this from the beginnings (remember Ruth Tucker), but obviously they are determined to engage in this even more in the future since it is very simple. A lot of these people are just as sucsceptible to flattery, love-bombing, honor-bombing, good food etc. as young students are. I remember how Heidelberg UBF sometimes invited a professor who spoke against the evolution theory. You have to understand that such people are pretty isolated in Germany. So he was happy to be so embraced by UBF. I remember when he was invited to UBF, they prepared a Korean lunch for him where we needed all the tables in the center to carry the many dishes and types of food. Of course he was overwhelmed by how he was treated and honored in UBF. How could he ever speak badly of UBF even if he later understood the problems? Nobody would feel well to criticize a group that treated and feasted you like that. You would feel like a betrayer. That's simple psychology. And not only the leaders, but also the simple members like me loved him so much and showed it to him because we were so happy to meet one respectable person who would not criticize UBF and defend our case (at that time we all were so convinced of UBF, our goal and content of life). Of course we would not tell him the stranger things we experienced and practiced in UBF. Now which human being would not become biased when he is treated that way? Scholars are not as objective and independent as people usually believe.

So we probably need to become accustomed to this new strategy in UBF. Mr. Armstrong will not be the only one they will win over with that strategy, and even if one day he would recognize he made a mistake by giving UBF credibility, then UBF will easily find another person to defend their case. In the last time, UBF becomes more "professional" and deceptive as a cult, adopting many cult practices from the Moonies, like front-groups, doing business with their own companies, finding cult apologists to improve public relations etc. It is amazing how many "honorable" persons, high-ranking politicians, former pastors, scholars etc. are willing to defend Moon. These people also don't know the Moon cult from the perspective of a simple member and have no background knowledge about cults. They do it for a mixture of naivety and honor, sometimes for other benefits (journeys, money). I'm sure UBF has payed Mr. Armstrongs journeys, whereas the ordinary member has to pay for himself.

Scholars also sometimes like to have an unusual and controversial position like defending cults as "new religions", simply because as a scholar your are nothing special if you hold an orthodox position, but if you have an unusual view, you are more interesting. It's like politicians - it's important they are in the media and people talk about them, no matter whether it's negative or positive. The only bad thing is if people don't talk about you. So sometimes they say something unusual even if it's silly just to get their names in the newspapers again.
1st-Feb-2007 02:42 am (UTC)
A lot of these people are just as sucsceptible to flattery, love-bombing, honor-bombing, good food etc. as young students are.

Thank you so much for an excellent analysis on UBF new strategy to recruit Christian scholars to create credibility. Flatter, love-bombing, honor-bombing, good food and money are widely employed in Korean business community to earn business from foreign companies. Not only in Korea but also in Japan and China too. Not a day goes by in Korea, Japan and China without a big scandal reported in business community and political arena.

Before a Korean company invites a buyer from a foreign country, they investigate personal life of the buyer to prepare his favorite food, shoes, dress and minimum amount of money that he would consider substantial. A lot of reputable Korean companies prefer to spend their budget this way to earn business rather than to spend the money on research and business administration.

Since UBF is grown up in Korea and John Jun knows how Korean business community runs and possibly how Korean churches run, the UBF leaders might have chosen this kind of similar business strategy to improve the credibility of UBF through public relation maneuver instead of spending money to conduct serious research to fix abusive practices in UBF via an independent research committee.
2nd-Feb-2007 05:46 pm (UTC) - leadership is ubf's achilles heel
There are number of criteria for creating and sustaining a healthy church (ubf denies they areeven a church). The Bible says a genuine healthy church is/has

belief in the complete supremacy of the Bible (to me ubf has a horrible attitude toward the Bible, nobody knows the Bible there, the leaders twist Bible passages all day long, ubf rejects all seminaries, etc. I would liek to bring a Ron Ward and stack of his 'messages' to Moody and review them before some Divinity professors)

supremacy of Christ as head of church (ubf does the God's servant on earth thing, obey your ubfleader as God, other heresies)

focus on the unsaved (ubf doesn't even confirm believers are saved)

growth of individuals thru cultivating gifts of the Spirit (there is no ubf teaching on this except to recruit and manipulate new recruits)

mature genuine leadership (includes having integrity, being fully accountable, much more accountable than the average recruits. There have been and certainly are deeply rooted patterns of ungodly behavior by ubfleaders. They haven ever been held accountable, instead they are praised!)

With this in mind, I find Dr. Armstrong's diagnosis as falling far below any Bible standards. Nobody should trust the opinions of those who do not have the facts, and who do not hold up the people in question to the Bible light and standards. ubf fails to meet Bible standards because the leadership is so corrupt, so unqualified, has zero integrity, is committed only to business and honor and glory for themselves. ubf is the same people now as then, doing the same things now as then. To me, the corrupt leadership at ubf is the root of all of ubf's problems. We have been exposing the facts of ubf for so many years. They have not changed, they have not adopted Christian means to rectify any of the countless wrongs.

I am of the opinion that they will never change one iota, so our effort is simply warn others to stay far from ubf, and to assist, befriend and encourage those who are able to leave there.
2nd-Feb-2007 06:24 pm (UTC) - Re: leadership is ubf's achilles heel
"ubf denies they are even a church"

Officially, they claim they are an ordinary church, but in reality, they kicked out the reformers because they wanted to transform UBF into an ordinary church. As always, UBF does not make a clear statement or commitment about what they are and practice. They always try to be ambivalent and say one thing or the other according to the situation.
3rd-Feb-2007 04:10 am (UTC) - Re: leadership is ubf's achilles heel
I am of the opinion that they will never change one iota, so our effort is simply warn others to stay far from ubf, and to assist, befriend and encourage those who are able to leave there

I am of the same opinion. I didn't know how ubf leaders manipulate sheep using the Bible. Only after I left ubf, I could see clearly the terrible false teachings by ubf leaders forced on members. I thought ubf bible study and messages were the best out there in the world. I was wrong. Well, I guess I was stupid. There are so many wonderful bible study out there far greater and better than ubf. I mean, it is even insult to compare them to ubf bible study. We have to let people know this so that they can be set free through the truth of God.
2nd-Feb-2007 07:57 pm (UTC)
Thanks Chris, I agree with what you're saying here. When I complained about some problems in UBF, and criticized an arranged marriage that was about to take place, I was told that the parents of the person in the arranged marriage had visited UBF angrily, and had come away loving UBF and supporting the marriage. I was supposed to take this story as enough evidence for me to accept UBF. I also would guess that the parents were not exposed to typical UBF pressures, but were treated like royalty. Anyways, even for members of UBF, it's dangers can be incredibly hard to notice or express in words because they are often very subtle and take place over a long period of time.
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