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Brainwashing in only 6 months 
14th-Jul-2005 08:36 pm
Dilbert
I don't know how much you can read in the US about the recent suicide bomber attacks in London. What is striking is the fact that the 4 men were pretty normal British citizens, integrated in the society. There was no fanatism or anything extraordinary in their lives. Two of them liked cricket and football. One was a teacher for problematic children and engaged in charity work; his mother was even honored by the Queen. One was a silent family father. However, the 4 underwent a dramatic personality change after a 6months education (brainwashing) in Pakistan. Here you can see how effective brainwashing can be. I read the Al Qaeda now focused even more on brainwashing people "spiritually" (i.e. make them believe the absurd idea that if they become suicide bombers they do something good and will go to heaven). Formerly, they concentrated on giving the people military education. But now they recognized that it is much easier and effective to just brainwash them to become suicide bombers. In a thread on RSQUBF, some UBF members tried to convince us that brainwashing does not exist. But I start to understand that brainwashing is even more effective and easy than I ever believed. If you can make people believe in the absurd ideology of suicide bobing in 6 months, how much easier is it for UBF leaders to brainwash people in several years to believe in the at least somewhat plausible ideology of UBF?
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16th-Jul-2005 07:45 am (UTC) - Brainwashing experts
I recently saw an article on TV how pyramid marketers and other scammers can convince some (of course not all, but you only need 2 or 3 gullible people a month to make you rich) people into investing all their life savings into some form of shady investment, even those people go home, write to their life insurance to get paid out to invest that money...

in a mere few hours, people can simply turn off all the red warning lights and turn something totally absurd becomes plausible, it's amazing.
16th-Jul-2005 09:02 pm (UTC)
Here is a wonderful article titled How cults can produce killers that explains pretty well what happened in London. But it also explains a lot of what is going on in UBF.
16th-Jul-2005 09:04 pm (UTC)
See also an article titled My nephew was brainwashed in Pakistan.
17th-Jul-2005 02:10 pm (UTC) - Guardian article
In this Guardian article, it's revealed that Shehzad Tanweer was in Pakistan only three months. Supposedly, he came back after only three months because he couldn't handle the "intensive study" there and didn't like the people there. But even after that he continued to "immerse himself in radical Islam." I don't think it was just the Pakistan experience. I think there are a number of radical Islamic leaders in Britain who probably pushed him to take the Pakistan trip to begin with.
17th-Jul-2005 02:19 pm (UTC) - Many cults do this
Many cults have this practice of a "short-term (or sometimes longer-term) training trip." Al Qaeda has their training centers in Pakistan and other places in the Middle East. The Moonies routinely send recruits to Korea to get "trained." Guess what other Korea-based group does that? The goal is always to further indoctrinate the recruit in a short time frame.

A UBF "trip" to Korea means that the recruit is surrounded only by UBF people, lives only in UBF accomodations, has limited or no contact with non-UBF family and friends back home. A side-goal might be "introduce" them to a Korean UBF member who has been chosen for them as a marriage partner.
17th-Jul-2005 09:36 pm (UTC)
Another speculation, quote from sundaymail.co.uk:

"M15 are investigating the theory that the bombers were duped into killing themselves after it emerged they had all bought return rail tickets and pay-and-display parking tickets for their cars. And as the bombs were detonated, none of them was heard to cry 'Allah Akhbar' - 'God is Great' - often yelled by suicide bombers.

One line of investigation is that the men had been told by an al-Qaeda controller that they had a few minutes to escape after setting off timers to detonate the bombs.

Instead, the bombs exploded immediately, killing all four, and ending any chance they could pass on information."

If they were duped, that would be the ultimate perfidiousness.

Anyway, the men were at least ready to carry bombs and cooperate with Al Quaeda somehow. Surely they were brainwashed, even if they did not want to commit suicide.
18th-Jul-2005 12:16 am (UTC) - UBF brainwashing can happen in a few months, too
Hey Chris. I don't know that I agree with you when you say UBF ideology is at least somewhat plausible. I think anyone with a sensible brain can see it is full of holes and contradictions.

I also wanted to say that I was pretty well-brainwashed by UBF after only a few months of UBF indoctrination. I was recruited in September. By December, they had me away from my church, away from my friends, going to UBF services, trying to recruit new UBF members AND believing that my life purpose was to do UBF business. They got me at a time in my life when I was particularly vulnerable and that evil Korean man saw it and took full advantage of it. Now I look back on that and I think, "What was I thinking? How could I have been so easily taken in?" But it happened to all of us....
18th-Jul-2005 05:47 pm (UTC) - Re: UBF brainwashing can happen in a few months, too
You're right of course. When I said "somewhat plausible" I meant in comparision with the ideology of suicide bombers.

The problem is that when you're in groups like UBF, your brain is somehow disused, at least in certain areas, so that you don't see the holes. Also, you learn that scepticism, critical discussion and rationally scrutinizing and questioning things is "bad" and "unspiritual," virtually the preliminary stage of apostasy. The "counter concept" is doing things "by faith" i.e. by obedience, without any reasoning and questioning and even thinking.
18th-Jul-2005 03:24 pm (UTC) - spiritual terrorists
"If you can make people believe in the absurd ideology of suicide bombing in 6 months, how much easier is it for UBF leaders to brainwash people in several years to believe in the at least somewhat plausible ideology of UBF?"
I know a long-time UBF member (to-be ex-member) who went to a training session about terrorism with various law enforcement agencies and commented how "eery" it was that the practices of terrorists were just like ubf.

18th-Jul-2005 05:52 pm (UTC) - Re: spiritual terrorists
I bet some hardline UBF leaders wouldn't even deny this similarity. Samuel Lee himself recommended people to learn from Ho Chi Min or Napoleon. They would argue that terrorists do these things with an evil mind, lead by the devil, while UBF uses these methods with a positive goal and good end, namely world mission. As long as something serves a good purpose (where "good purpose" is defined as something that serves the UBF organization and its leaders = God's ministry and God's servants), everything is allowed. This is known as the "end justifies the means" ideology of UBF.
19th-Jul-2005 07:01 pm (UTC) - Re: spiritual terrorists
"Samuel Lee himself recommended people to learn from Ho Chi Min or Napoleon."
That is interesting and very revealing. It explains alot about his own mind set and how he trained others, and the history of abuse in ubf. It is obvious he did not know or learn from Jesus.(understatement)

"As long as something serves a good purpose (where "good purpose" is defined as something that serves the UBF organization and its leaders = God's ministry and God's servants), everything is allowed. This is known as the "end justifies the means" ideology of UBF."

Man's chief end is to glorify God. Samuel Lee misused God's word to glorify himself and his organization.

20th-Jul-2005 08:38 am (UTC) - Re: spiritual terrorists
By the way, the Ho Chi Min recommendation is mentioned in a letter from James Kim to Samuel Lee. I also remember we had to watch movies like "Gladiator" or "Glory" in the center, as they were recommended by Samuel Lee. He like martial and militrary thinks. Sometimes he even dressed with a military uniform (there should be even a picture somewhere).
20th-Jul-2005 02:37 pm (UTC) - Sam Mule Lee raised in Japan
Sam Mule Lee ha claimed that he was born in Japan in 1931. Japan was a very brainwashed country also. They worshipped their emperor as God, literally. They would do anything in the name of their emperor. The Imperial Japanese Army slaughtered many millions of Asians in the years leading up to WWII, and during the War. They slaughtered these defenseless people with a mindset that they were not humans, they were just Chinese, Fillipino, American, Australian, etc. The most horrifying example is the Rape of Nanking. Japanese soldiers slaughtered the helpless civilians for 3 weeks straight, killing an estimated quarter million in that time. This included tens of thousands of children, who were even used as bayonet targets.

There was also the issue of the 'comfort women', millions of women who were forced into sex slavery for the Japanese soldiers. The majority of the victims were Chinese women and teens, and the issue has been whitewashed because most of the victims were killed within a short time after being forced into slavery.

Most Koreans resent or hate Japan for their savage treatment of Koreans during the 45 years of Japanese occupation. Despite the true history of Imperial Japan, I have heard EE Chang Woo praise Japan on numerous occassions. He even went so far as to praise kamikazee pilots as if they are the heroes. Doesn't this sound as bad as those who praise terrorist homicide bombers?

I believe that spending his formative years in Japan helped make EE Chang Woo cruel and inhuman. I believe his conscience was almost non-existant. I believe the Bible had almost no effect on his personality and real inner being.
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