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the pattern of ubf among other Christian circles 
31st-Aug-2005 05:22 pm
Hi everyone,

I just read something about a government matter. The government of Australia is trying to get Zimbabwe dictator Robert Mugabe in a criminal indictment before the Int. Criminal Court in the Hague. It would seem that it should be done easily, but it will probably never happen. There are several reasons, but the biggest one seems to be that since Zimbabwe has not signed on to the ICC, then it would take a unanimous decision by the UN Security Council to move agains this guy. But it probably won't happen since nobody, except Australia, is really willing to put an end to this mess. And that is why we have Kim Il Sung, and had Saddam, and Pol Pot and Idi Amin, etc.

I believe that the same thing happens when ubf rears its ugly head on the edges of normal Christianity. No legitimate Christian organizations feel they have a jurisdiction to move against the ubf and all the other ugly cults. Lutherans can only police Lutherans, Catholics can only police Catholics, etc. So ubf wants to look like they are a transparent group in the mainstream, but in reality they are nowhere near any involvement in the mainstream religious life.

So we are seeing again and again that when ubf wants to parade in semi-public, the Wheaton College, NAE, Watchman Fellowship, and now the Cornhouse group are all behaving in the same way. It will always continue this way. We are the only voice of truth in the matter. We are the only place for people to turn for the real story of ubf.

God bless.
1st-Sep-2005 06:03 pm (UTC) - sad but true
What a comparison. This is so sad, but so true. THANK GOD for this website and ubf-info.de that exposes the truth about UBF! I am waiting for your book, Nick. I would love to see the sales on that worldwide!
3rd-Sep-2005 05:35 pm (UTC) - thanks
I just wanted to add thanks again to Joe and Chris for maintaining these websites and all those who work together with them. Certainly God uses you to expose the truth about UBF that can reach worldwide and help former members to recover. God bless you!
1st-Sep-2005 09:55 pm (UTC) - Article in Psychiatric Times on Cults
UBF fits the "Deception-Dependency-Dread" Syndrome.




"The manipulativeness of cults is similar to the debility-dependency-dread (DDD) syndrome explanation of how the Chinese communists were able to gain a high degree of control over American POWs during the Korean conflict (Farber and colleagues). Contemporary cults, which operate in an open society and do not have the power of the state at their disposal, cannot forcibly restrain prospects and run them through a debilitating regimen. Instead, they must fool them."
2nd-Sep-2005 07:49 am (UTC) - Re: Article in Psychiatric Times on Cults
I find this passage much more striking:

Of course, there will be cases in which individuals accept such presuppositions in a nonmanipulative environment, which makes the differential diagnosis task more difficult. Thus, converts make "choices" and "deliberate," but without a full awareness of how their deliberations and choices are manipulated at certain key points.

That really hits the nail on the head. Why would any rational person "choose" to let the "Servant of God" spank them publically, why would any rational person "choose" to give their life savings to "the Servant of God" to buy a house in which the person will later live for rent?
Why would a person "choose" to marry a complete stranger who doesn't even speak their language... that's it.
15th-Sep-2005 07:46 pm (UTC) - Cornhouse group?
Nick, what is the Cornhouse business about? Could you elaborate on that please?

15th-Sep-2005 08:10 pm (UTC) - Re: Cornhouse group?
Hey tgifoz,

See the entry for August 26. Cornhouse looks like some kind of trustee for non-profit groups, and they act as a fund collector for the ubf. This is certainly not the way groups collect money here in the states. My gues is that Cornhouse makes some profit by collecting the funds on behalf of the groups. My guess is also that in the past ubf wanted to collect all their cash directly, so as not to report anything or pay any fees to anyone else. Maybe our Deutch compatriots could elaborate?

I was trying to say that ubf isolates itself so that nobody can confront them or discipline them for their abundant bad behavior. When their bad bahvior is noticed by watchdog groups or est. groups like Wheaton College, the normal Christians back off as if they have no right to confront ubf.

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