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Wash. UBF 11/6 message by John Jun 
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8th-Nov-2005 01:17 am (UTC) - He's hard-core and an idiot.
When our young Bible students decide to live as Jesus’ disciples, the first obstacle they often face is persecution from their parents and friends. They are persecuted because they can’t spend as much time with family and friends. Some parents threaten them, saying that they wouldn’t give any spending money if they don’t listen to them. This makes our young shepherds worried. Because of the spiritual battle they had to fight against their parents, they become burdened and fearful.

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cult religions such as Moonies, Jehovah’s witnesses, Mormons or NEW AGE movement, and religious pluralism are the powerful Goliaths we need to fight against in our spiritual battle."


"Fighting a 'spiritual' battle" against concerned parents of recruits is exactly what a cult does. But Jun goes on to denounce the Moonies, JWs and Mormons as cults. A classic example of the pot calling the kettle black.

Jun's also had a major part in over 1000 UBF arranged marriages. But he sees the Moonies as a cult. Or maybe he sees them as competition.

He sounds almost as disconnected from reality as Sam Lee in this message. He apparently got away with a lot in Korea that he won't get away with in America. He could become a public relations disaster for UBF.
13th-Nov-2005 04:04 pm (UTC) - So it's not just a handful of disgruntled former members...
Jun writes: "When our young Bible students decide to live as Jesus’ disciples, the first obstacle they often face is persecution from their parents and friends."

So contrary to what UBF seems to sometimes claim--that UBF's cultic reputation is the result of the actions of just a handful of disgruntled former members--Jun admits that the *real* problem for UBF is what it has always been for 30 years in America, the problem of concerned parents and friends who see negative personality changes in a recruit as they are pulled further and further into UBF.
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