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the ubf reconciliation problem 
23rd-Nov-2005 10:55 am
Hi everyone,

I put this post here because the last one seemed to be getting too large. My only thought on ubf/NAE reconciliation is that all the problems of ubf revolve around the leadership. The leadership is made up entirely of dishonest and unethical people. They are into lying, deceiving, diversion of offering money, love of power. This is the state of the leaders' rotten personal character, each and every ubf leader is like this.

The second main leader-centric problem at ubf is that each of the leaders is not qualified to be a church leader. A genuine Christian pastor has to at least go to a Bible college for four years, and complete a well rounded study of the Bible and Christian doctrines. On the other hand, ubf is overrun with people who did nothing but play ubf for many years. None of them can even be considered Bible educated. None of them could survive a four year program at a real Bible college or seminary. The best they have done is to get some mail order diplomas using plagiarized manuscripts.

I think ubf is a cult solely because of the corrupt and unqualified leaders. Because they are corrupt and unqualified, they have no spiritual gifts at their disposal. In turn, they resort to mind control, deception, negative psychology, all kinds of abuse, etc.

Anyway, NAE has not done itself any favors by softening its stance toward the ubf. ubf has not changed. ubf has merely re-arranged the deck chairs on the Titanic.

Happy Thanksgiving everybody.
25th-Nov-2005 05:38 pm (UTC) - what is Thanksgiving?
Dear human12,

Thank you for your posting. After reading the John Jun world class lousy message, I have an observation I would like to share. Jun is merely mixing his world class poor ubf ideas into a different background. The American Thanksgiving is not a religious holiday copied from Israel. It has nothing to do with Israel.

The American Thanksgiving was a celebration that God was so good to the Pilgrims, to spare the living from the disease and deprivation that killed so many of those who came with them. The Pilgrims were greatly assisted by an Indian named Squanto, who taught them numerous survival skills in the New World. So the second year they had a bounty and their survival was enhanced. They had a harvest feast and invited Squanto and his relatives. The feast was patterned after the typical English harvest festivals. All European countries had their own harvest festivals, they did not copy Israel per se.

So what is the meaning of the national Thanksgiving Day? I think historically it is a time to remember God who helped the Pilgrims, and to remember our ancestors who risked their lives to found our great nation. The Pilgrims are also very well known for their insistence on religious freedom and self-governance, two ideas that were minority ideas at that time. We can remember them for their great character and their trust in God, even in the face of death. I have never seen anything like this in any ubfleader. Our nation was great without any ubfins ever coming here.

However, the story of the Pilgrims and Thanksgiving is left out of the ubf. I think Jun is simply going thru the motions of claiming that ubf is so relevant and the most important activity of life. I claim ubf is irrelevant at Thanksgiving, and most times of our lives. ubfUSA is a fringe cult group of anti-social, anti-Americans.

A synopsis of Thanksgiving is found here.

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