Log in

No account? Create an account
RSQUBF LiveJournal Community
UBF 2nd gen’s theology 
31st-Dec-2005 10:46 am
UBF 2nd gen’s theology

...In terms of UBF being a cult, you need to answer the question of why God lets people meet Jesus through this ministry like I did, which would be impossible because I don't think I or the other numerous amount of people would've met Jesus if the church taught false doctrines. And I am growing spiritually in this ministry just like many other people are, and if this church is a cult and is an agent of Satan I don't think it'd be possible for me to have a relationship with Jesus.
THere's two conclusions we can make. 1. God must be extremely deceitful because he lets people really accept Jesus as their Savior through UBF, a cult or 2. UBF is a ministry that is really being used by God to bring people to Him. I'm pretty sure we can cross out conclusion #1 because God is a Holy God and it's just not in his character to let people repent and accept Jesus through false doctrine that condones lying, abortions, divorces etc. So therefore, #2 is correct... (Posted 9/2/2005 at 2:23 AM by Choi728)
31st-Dec-2005 05:02 pm (UTC)
Part I.

Choi728’s argument is basically built on performance. He points to the UBF performance to prove that God must be using UBF. If God is using UBF to bring people to Christ, how could it be a cult? This is very consistent with UBF theology fabricated by Samuel Lee. Samuel Lee’s theology is that it is ok to violate human rights or even to violate law to help others or to improve UBF performance. If someone argues against his theology, he would say, “See it works better!” If Choi728’s reasoning represents that of average UBF 2nd gens, the future of UBF is as dismal as the UBF run by Samuel Lee that was split into two due to its own inner contradiction. We can already see another split in the future.

Samuel Lee’s theology, the foundation of UBF organization, probably is based on the theology of a tree and its fruit. In
Matthew 7:15-20, Jesus said that a good tree bears good fruits and a bad tree bears bad fruits. In saying that, Jesus said that we can distinguish false prophets from true prophets. I read Matthew Henry’s commentary again on this passage and it is a very good one. The passage seems to support Samuel Lee’s theology and Choi728’s argument. Choi728 claims that he accepted Jesus as his personal Savior through UBF bible study. Since Choi728’s accepting Jesus as Savior is a fruit of UBF bible study, which is a good fruit, how could UBF bible study be a bad tree? Since there are many people like him in UBF, how could UBF be a bad tree? Ok, granted, but we should read the passage further.

Matthew 7:21-23 says, “Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'” These group of people Jesus refers to in the passage do not seem to be false prophets because they seem to have produced good fruits such as prophesying in Jesus’ name, like bible study and Sunday message, and driving out demons, like helping others spiritually by making them walk 25 miles on bare feet(?), and performing many miracles, like bringing down the communist system in Russia through one visit to Moscow. Notice that they all do these in the name of Jesus or in the name of world mission. But Jesus’ response to them is very surprising. He says, “'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!” Even though they claim that they produced so many good fruits in their ministry, Jesus says that they did evil. Why? Maybe they violated human rights to produce good fruits. Maybe they twisted sound theology to justify their performance-oriented theology. Notice also that their ministry was very fruitful because they claim that they performed many miracles. We do not know exactly what they did to make their ministry successful. But Jesus knew exactly what they did and told them that what they did was evil.

Fruitful/successful/effective ministry in the name of Jesus alone is not a guarantee for sound ministry. It could turn out that the fruitful ministry is in fact evil ministry. How does Samuel Lee’s theology work in this case? How does Choi728’s argument withstand this passage? Let’s not forget that UBF was split into two because of its own inner contradiction before Mr. Samuel Lee died in a fire. Was his ministry evil ministry by any chance? Is current UBF ministry evil ministry? Choi728 accepted Jesus as his Savoir through UBF ministry. But it is still possibility that UBF ministry is evil before Jesus if UBF leaders continue to glorify Samuel Lee who claims that Jesus didn’t mind violating human rights. Choi728 should consider this: Does Jesus want a fruitful ministry or a sound ministry?

Continues in Part II...
31st-Dec-2005 05:06 pm (UTC)
Part II

Is it doing God’s will to violate human rights to help others or is it doing evil? Isn’t this what Jesus asks us in the passage? Is it ok to do evil to do God’s will? Isn’t this what Jesus asks us in the passage? Samuel Lee’s theology does answer this question but the answer is very different from Jesus’ answer. Samuel Lee will say it is ok to do evil to do God’s will. So in UBF it is ok for parents to abort a baby so that they could devote more time in recruiting college freshmen. It is ok in UBF for a wife to divorce a husband if the husband criticizes the evil things done in UBF because she is told that she is actually obeying God’s will and she is not doing any evil. There are numerous evils done in UBF to obey God’s will.

When the Israel was split into two, it was from God (1 Kings 12:22-24). Samuel Lee driven by performance for the sake of self-glorification did many evil things and many UBF leaders were trained to follow him blindly in doing evil things in the name of serving God. Since the evil things they have done could be justified only through better results, they fall into the vicious cycle of doing evil and justifying doing evil with better results. So the whole organization becomes performance-driven. The whole UBF theology is wrong because of one person Samuel Lee who fabricated false theology.

Finally, Choi728 claims that he is growing spiritually. At this point we are not sure about his spiritual growth. Maybe he meant to say that he is gradually growing blind to the truth of God and God’s will but growing blindly devoted to glorifying Samuel Lee and to the UBF’s will set up by Samuel Lee’s false teachings. It seems that Samuel Lee built up a private business organization in UBF and power structure to maintain it in UBF. A person like Choi728 is picked by UBF leaders to be trained to become a member of that power structure so that the whole UBF organizaiton is run by Samuel Lee devotees.
This page was loaded Aug 20th 2019, 11:02 am GMT.