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UBF 2nd gen’s theology 
31st-Dec-2005 10:46 am
UBF 2nd gen’s theology

...In terms of UBF being a cult, you need to answer the question of why God lets people meet Jesus through this ministry like I did, which would be impossible because I don't think I or the other numerous amount of people would've met Jesus if the church taught false doctrines. And I am growing spiritually in this ministry just like many other people are, and if this church is a cult and is an agent of Satan I don't think it'd be possible for me to have a relationship with Jesus.
THere's two conclusions we can make. 1. God must be extremely deceitful because he lets people really accept Jesus as their Savior through UBF, a cult or 2. UBF is a ministry that is really being used by God to bring people to Him. I'm pretty sure we can cross out conclusion #1 because God is a Holy God and it's just not in his character to let people repent and accept Jesus through false doctrine that condones lying, abortions, divorces etc. So therefore, #2 is correct... (Posted 9/2/2005 at 2:23 AM by Choi728)
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1st-Jan-2006 05:30 am (UTC)
The whole discussion at http://www.xanga.com/DulosTheo/332294539/item.html took place because someone questioned whether some UBF 2nd gens, while claiming to "know Jesus personally," really knew the gospel. I have the same question. Can they articulate the gospel of justification by grace alone through faith alone? Or do they consider that "old, cultural Christianity?" Can someone who holds to that gospel really stay in a UBF environment in which grace is drowned out by ungrace (the legalistic demand for UBF works)? I doubt it.

I think UBF has turned out some fine, mature Christians, AFTER they left UBF. In UBF they are required to watch or participate in the spiritually abusive program. (See Tom Brown.) I can't see how a Christian can grow mature in that environment. I haven't seen a Christian grow mature in that environment. A state penitentiary's prison ministry may produce more mature Christians than UBF.

But one could say, "At least UBF is producing Christians." But again, see the first paragraph about the gospel. Any sect can claim a number of people who are pious and religiously devoted and "changed." But the key is knowing the gospel and not adding on to it. Let's grant that UBF is actually producing Christians. It's also producing its share of atheists, agnostics, wiccans, etc., and most sadly, disenchanted Christians.

God's work and Satan's work, good and evil, will exist in varying degrees in any human institution. It's immature (there's that word again) to think that if a church is producing Christians that there necessarily will be no evil. There has been horrendous evil and continues to be evil in the teachings and practices of UBF. Hopefully there are some UBF kids who can acknowledge that in spite of the revisionist history they are being fed.
1st-Jan-2006 05:21 pm (UTC)
I think when we speak of "making Christians" we have to differentiate between the basical event of "becoming a believer" and 2) the process of "growing as a believer." And in both cases, you have to differentiate again:

1) Becoming a believer:
a) Somebody makes a "commitment" to God, start to "believe" and consider himself/herself born again, speaks his/her first "believers prayer", is baptized, speaks in tongues etc.
b) Somebody is really born again

2) Growing as a believer:
a) Somebody joins a church, makes a commitment to "cowork", spends a lot of time with his church, does a lot of "religious" things, evangelizes etc.
b) Somebody is really growing in faith and undergoes the process of sanctification, showing more and more of the good fruit mentionend in Gal 5

I think UBF has some success in 1a and 2a (still very ineffective, as discussed), i.e. in creating elitist and corrupt pseudo-Christians, but they fail horribly in 1b and 2b, particularly 2b. Instead of growing and becoming mature, people in UBF get spoiled to the point where they have no more interest in the truth and agape love, but only in honor, power, recogniztion, or where they live out of fear, not out of faith. They either become dependent fearful works-orientied sheep or abusive shepherds, or a mixture of both. Or at one point they draw back from God completely because of the abuse and disappointment. So UBF fails horribly concerning the second aspect.

The problem is that the UBFins have problems with distinguishing between a (faked/vain Christianity) and b (real Christianity).
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