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UBF 2nd gen’s theology 
31st-Dec-2005 10:46 am
UBF 2nd gen’s theology

...In terms of UBF being a cult, you need to answer the question of why God lets people meet Jesus through this ministry like I did, which would be impossible because I don't think I or the other numerous amount of people would've met Jesus if the church taught false doctrines. And I am growing spiritually in this ministry just like many other people are, and if this church is a cult and is an agent of Satan I don't think it'd be possible for me to have a relationship with Jesus.
THere's two conclusions we can make. 1. God must be extremely deceitful because he lets people really accept Jesus as their Savior through UBF, a cult or 2. UBF is a ministry that is really being used by God to bring people to Him. I'm pretty sure we can cross out conclusion #1 because God is a Holy God and it's just not in his character to let people repent and accept Jesus through false doctrine that condones lying, abortions, divorces etc. So therefore, #2 is correct... (Posted 9/2/2005 at 2:23 AM by Choi728)
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1st-Jan-2006 05:17 pm (UTC) - Re: Logical fallacies II

And I am growing spiritually in this ministry just like many other people are, and if this church is a cult and is an agent of Satan I don't think it'd be possible for me to have a relationship with Jesus.
Once again, we need to analyze the logics keenly:
I and others grow spiritually (measured how?) -> what? (it seems to jump out of thin air that it means that "this church is not a cult", but logically, the next half of the sentence is not connected!)

this church an agent of Satan -> not possible to have a relationship with Jesus.
Note again, that there's one more insertion of "I don't think", which is a erlativizing statement, but the sentence sounds like an absolute statement. The "I don't think", in terms of logic, reduces the logical value of the entire paragraph to zilch, since personal opinion isn't worth anything if it is not supported by facts.
And this is the case here, since we know very well from the Bible that "Satan disguises Himself as an angel of light", and it may very well serve his intentions to bring people very close to Jesus, without letting them know the True Gospel, i.e. waving Jesus before their eyes without letting them touch Him.
And even further, the question of "a cult" and "personal relationship with Jesus" have nothing to do, these two things can not be brought into relation - even in the worst cult, there can be people who have an intimate relationship with Jesus and even in the best church there can be people who merely think they know Jesus. There is no logical connection.


THere's two conclusions we can make.
Typical logical fallacy known as "bifurcation". There's a gazillion conclusions we can make, but the author wants us to decide either A or B, setting up A or B for us to pick one. Reality is, we have to choose neither A nor B and can still conclude properly. Especially, since neither A nor B is the final truth.

1. God must be extremely deceitful because he lets people really accept Jesus as their Savior through UBF, a cult or

This is the typical way to set up a bifurcation: you want people to choose door B and so you put something awkward into door A so they WILL choose door B regardless of what could be in there. To even suggest that God is deceitful makes this option not acceptible, and the author knows that.

2. UBF is a ministry that is really being used by God to bring people to Him.
Well, the funny thing is that nobody would even deny this. But as I have shown initially, this statement is meaningless since the only way to put some value into this statement is to doubt God's Almight. If God is Almighty, then who are we to doubt He uses UBF? So what, maybe He also used David Koresh to show some people that Christ is the Lord... doesn't mean whatever Koresh did is okay.
I like to use this example: God may use a prostitute to bring people to Himself. Does that mean that now every young girl should become a prostitute? Wouldn't there still be reason for every prostitute who believes in Jesus to find another job?


I'm pretty sure we can cross out conclusion #1 because God is a Holy God and it's just not in his character to let people repent and accept Jesus through false doctrine that condones lying, abortions, divorces etc.
This merely displays that the author does not know God. But aside from that, an appeal to God's character doesn't force people to choose between two wrongs when there are more options.

Example further options:
- UBF is a cult and God is Holy.
- UBF is a cult, God is greater than the author imagines, but regardless, God is Holy.
- UBF is a cult, God is Almighty, and God is Holy.
- UBF is a cult, God is Almighty, God is Holy and the author doesn't even know the real God.
- UBF is a cult, God is Almighty, God is Holy, and UBF is neither holy nor does the author understand that God in His almighty holiness still doesn't like to be associated with sin, even when He shows mercy on a sinner.


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