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UBF 2nd gen’s theology 
31st-Dec-2005 10:46 am
UBF 2nd gen’s theology

...In terms of UBF being a cult, you need to answer the question of why God lets people meet Jesus through this ministry like I did, which would be impossible because I don't think I or the other numerous amount of people would've met Jesus if the church taught false doctrines. And I am growing spiritually in this ministry just like many other people are, and if this church is a cult and is an agent of Satan I don't think it'd be possible for me to have a relationship with Jesus.
THere's two conclusions we can make. 1. God must be extremely deceitful because he lets people really accept Jesus as their Savior through UBF, a cult or 2. UBF is a ministry that is really being used by God to bring people to Him. I'm pretty sure we can cross out conclusion #1 because God is a Holy God and it's just not in his character to let people repent and accept Jesus through false doctrine that condones lying, abortions, divorces etc. So therefore, #2 is correct... (Posted 9/2/2005 at 2:23 AM by Choi728)
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1st-Jan-2006 05:21 pm (UTC)
I think when we speak of "making Christians" we have to differentiate between the basical event of "becoming a believer" and 2) the process of "growing as a believer." And in both cases, you have to differentiate again:

1) Becoming a believer:
a) Somebody makes a "commitment" to God, start to "believe" and consider himself/herself born again, speaks his/her first "believers prayer", is baptized, speaks in tongues etc.
b) Somebody is really born again

2) Growing as a believer:
a) Somebody joins a church, makes a commitment to "cowork", spends a lot of time with his church, does a lot of "religious" things, evangelizes etc.
b) Somebody is really growing in faith and undergoes the process of sanctification, showing more and more of the good fruit mentionend in Gal 5

I think UBF has some success in 1a and 2a (still very ineffective, as discussed), i.e. in creating elitist and corrupt pseudo-Christians, but they fail horribly in 1b and 2b, particularly 2b. Instead of growing and becoming mature, people in UBF get spoiled to the point where they have no more interest in the truth and agape love, but only in honor, power, recogniztion, or where they live out of fear, not out of faith. They either become dependent fearful works-orientied sheep or abusive shepherds, or a mixture of both. Or at one point they draw back from God completely because of the abuse and disappointment. So UBF fails horribly concerning the second aspect.

The problem is that the UBFins have problems with distinguishing between a (faked/vain Christianity) and b (real Christianity).
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