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7th-Jan-2006 03:47 pm
The "UBF=God" equation is really at the heart of the whole UBF calamity.

It stands short for the following beliefs:

UBF is "God's ministry"
UBF leaders are "servants of God"
UBF leaders convey the will of God to you
UBF leaders' commands to you are God's commands to you
UBF leaders' orientation is God's orientation for your life
You need to obey UBF leaders as you would obey God
Training by UBF leaders is training by God

What is "faith" in UBF? Actually it is faith in "UBF=God."

I think this problem deserves its own thread.
In the comment section I will explain more.
8th-Jan-2006 04:54 pm (UTC)
I also often heard the following argumentation: "Would you deny that I can feel the Holy Spirit as well? Do you think I am not born again? Do you think I am lost because I am in UBF?"

This question is horrible.
For one, it blames you for being spiritually too blind to recognize the other's spiritual condition (which UBF leaders claim to know very well for their "sheep"), trying to put you into a spiritually inferior position. If you swallow this pill, they've got you in "second row".
Two, it blames you for lacking discernment on spiritual issues. If you swallow that pill, the discussion is closed, what does someone without discernment have to say?
Third, it's begging the question. They make a lot of assumptions and claim that those things follow from the permise. It only works if you follow their path of logic. It also puts the burden on you to make a ton of long-winded explanations when all that happened was they make a few assumptions.
If you eat this pill, you're in for a tedious discussion that gets you off on endless rabbit trails. Even if you make all your points well, you'll be spending at least half an hour before you can get back to the issue of UBF, and by that time, they can claim to have lost focus or needing to get on...

A simple suggestion here would be to just turn the pitchfor back at the wielder:

"Would you deny that I can feel the Holy Spirit as well? Do you think I am not born again? Do you think I am lost because I am not in UBF?" And then let them answer, because they made the presumption that God and UBF are linked. Let them explain how UBF=God, and you're still born-again. Let them explain how UBF = God, and God works outside UBF. Let them explain how you, being a born-again, spirit-indwelt believer, are worth less than a member of UBF who claims to be exactly level with you.
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