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Is he really a Christian? 
7th-Jan-2006 06:47 pm
Isaac Kim's letter to the Reformers

After I have read Isaac Kim's letter, I could not but ask this: Is he really a Christian who worships God or a cult maniac who whoships Samuel Lee? I am not sure if he really knows the full implication of what he is talking about. I think not. If he is one of the top leaders in UBF-USA, then his mindset might represent very well the mindset of average UBFKorean leaders. I think Joe is right when he said that no one can grow spiritually in UBF environment. Anyway I wanted to post Isaac Kim's letter in its entirety for open discussion of the mindset of UBFKorean leaders. To see his letter click on comments.
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8th-Jan-2006 09:30 am (UTC)
Very good analysis. There is another revealing phrase in the letter showing that mindset:

"And didn't Paul say love always trusts?"

A typical example of Bible absue and situative Bible reading by UBF. They are so trained to simply pick verses from the Bible out of context to justify any nonsense.

The statement "love always trusts" comes from 1Cor13 (a passage otherwise rarely read in UBF, they usually only read 1Cor15). But of course, in this context, trust refers to trust in God. The Bible does not teach to blindly trust anything and anybody, quite to the contrary it teaches discernment and double-checking any teaching and person inclusively alleged Christians and Christian leaders e.g. in Acts 17:11, 2Cor 8:8, 2Cor 8:19-24, Gal 6:4,Eph 5:10, 1Thes 5:21, 1Tim 3;10, 1Jo 4:1. So it cannot teach non-discernment and "simply trust people" in another passage since or the Bible would be self-contradictory.

But Isaac Kim takes this sentence "love always trusts" and interprets it in this situation as "love always trusts anybody". Or actually, not even anybody, since they never trusted the reports and testimonies of reformers. So he interprets it as "love always trusts Samuel Lee."

And these Bible twisters are considered top leaders and Bible teachers in UBF! Let me confirm that Kaleb Hong, the Europe leader, argumented very similarly. The same in spirit with Isaac Kim, Paul Hong and all the other Confucian subleaders in the cult of Samuel Lee.
8th-Jan-2006 10:28 am (UTC)
You can also compare this statement "love always trusts (Samuel Lee)" with the other testimony recently discussed which said "I could not trust myself". So you can always trust Samuel Lee, but you cannot trust yourself. That is the essence of UBF teaching.
8th-Jan-2006 08:02 pm (UTC)
But Isaac Kim takes this sentence "love always trusts" and interprets it in this situation as "love always trusts anybody". Or actually, not even anybody, since they never trusted the reports and testimonies of reformers. So he interprets it as "love always trusts Samuel Lee."

You are right. He took "love always trust" out of context. 1 Corinthians 13:6 and 7 say, "Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. To know what it means by "love always trusts", we also have to know what it means by "Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth." But since Isaac Kim and UBFKorean leaders study the Bible politically, Isaac Kim put more emphasis on the former than on the latter in protecting the glorification of Samuel Lee. But if he or any of UBFKorean leaders were to train his sheep, he would put more emphasis on the latter than on the former. So here we have the problem of how to apply biblical truth to practical problems.

Isaac Kim is kind of easy-going here. He insists on "love always trust." But he does not qualify his position seriously. The only statement that supports his position seems to be that "Samuel Lee is God in UBF" which can be easily refuted by elementary theological arguments. Of course this "humanistic" arguments would not be appealing to the blind UBFKoean leaders. Why wouldn't Isaac Kim apply the same truth, "love always trust", to the reform leaders as he would apply it to Samuel Lee? Since "love always trust", he should trust the reform leaders and accept their request. But strangely by using the same truth, "love always trust", he rejects their request. Why does he not articulate further on his position?

Isaac Kim does not seem to have the ability to articulate his theological position further except appealing to his personal opinion that Samuel Lee is God. That is his limit and UBFKorean leaders' limit. Their limit is Samuel Lee. Samuel Lee is all the world that they know. They are like a frog who lives in a deep well and sees only the part of the whole sky presented by the small opening of the well. Isaac Kim and UBFKoreans are caught in the well of Samuel Lee and his theology. All they see is the part of the great sky presented by the small opening of Samuel Lee and his pathetic theology.
8th-Jan-2006 09:53 pm (UTC) - Love Always Trusts = Obey Your UBF Leaders
"And didn't Paul say love always trusts?"</q Issac Kim argues that Samuel Lee should be trusted because "love always trusts." Kim's point is that if you love someone, you will trust them. Thus, if we love Samuel Lee, we should trust him. Further, if we trust him, we will not request that he make his records public. Chris and human12 have made good points about Kim's misinterpretation of scripture. I will add the point that love and trust in UBF only flows one way, from the sheep to the shepherd and from the regular member to the chapter director. The leaders always taught us that if we love God, we would love God's servants. Then, if we loved God's servants, we would trust and obey them as God servants. Further, if we trusted and obeyed God's servants, we would never question anything they said or did. The connection made is that if we loved God, we would obey God's servants without question. However, this love and trust never flowed in the other direction. UBF leaders never showed love by trusting us. Leaders did not trust that would ex-UBF members have said is true. They have never loved us enough to believe our testimonies. They have never loved or trusted us. Where was Isaac Kim's love for his former LA member, Shane, who used to post on rsqubf? Everything in UBF is centered on the one-way flow from the sheep to the shepherd that is never reciprecated. There is no concept of "we are all brothers" in UBF
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