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UBF discussions in Russian language 
13th-Jun-2006 11:15 pm
Dilbert
It seems people start to discuss UBF in Russian, too. Is was made aware of a thread at jesuschrist.ru, where somebody wonders why UBF is considered like a normal church when UBF members made UBF propaganda on that forum, and nobody complained about UBF being a cult. From that, a whole discussion thread started, with some ex UBF members and some current members jumping in to defend UBF. I noticed the same patterns we know so well from our old forum. When the ex member pointed out the problems, he was attacked personally. When the ex member asked concrete questions, they were not answered. When he pointed out several concrete events which showed that UBF is a cult, they told him he only remembers the bad things and is not thankful for the good things he experienced. If anybody is interested, I can translate some passages.
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14th-Jun-2006 05:06 pm (UTC)
This "slave mentality" thing was actually something that Samuel Lee constantly claimed about the whole former Soviet Union. He did not distinguish between Russia and the Ukraine. Peter Kim should now better. The Ukrainians have a totally different spirit and history than Russians, and if he knew only a little bit about Ukrainian history (e.g. the Cossacks) he would not claim anything like that. Recently, the Orange Revolution showed the whole world that they do not have slave mentality. It was also supported by a lot of churches and church leaders. The leader Yushchenko is a Christian and surely not worse than other politicians in the world. Although he is already so long in the country, Peter Kim does not understand the difference between Ukraine and Russia. He also speaks only Russian, not Ukrainian, and everybody in the center has to speak Russian because of that, although many of them prefer Ukrainian.

Of course, Ukraine has also real spiritual problems, which Peter Kim is overlooking. For example, you can often meet an unhealthy kind of patriotism coupled with antisemitism. You could argue that this is a real reason for God not to bless the Ukraine.
14th-Jun-2006 08:39 pm (UTC)
He also speaks only Russian, not Ukrainian, and everybody in the center has to speak Russian because of that, although many of them prefer Ukrainian.

Many Korean missionaries in Chicago spoke in Korean even though their American sheep were around them. I would appreciate it if foreigners in Korea speak in Korean when I am around them. I would also appreciate it if Americans can clearly know the unique Korean culture from other cultures such as Chinese culture and Japanese culture. From time to time I meet Americans who think that Korean culture is just part of Chinese culture. I know from first hand experience that it is not a pleasant experience. Dr. Peter Kim would feel upset if the people of Ukraine took him as a Chinese or as a Japanese. Dr. Peter Kim should know better what it might be like for the Ukrainian sheep to hear their Korean director speak to them in Russian instead of in Ukrainian. It would be like a Ukrainian sheep speaking to him in Japanese instead of in Korean!
14th-Jun-2006 09:32 pm (UTC)
It is not as strange as if he would speak Japanese in Korean, since Russian is the 2nd language and it is used much in the eastern part of the country. But anyway, Russians often treated the Ukrainians like slaves. Ukrainians suffered a lot under Polish and later Russian serf system. Stalin created an artificial famine in the Ukraine through which 7-10 Million people in the Ukraine died. So somebody who is accusing them of having a slave mentality should not speak Russian with them, the language of their suppressors.
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