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open counseling?? 
14th-Jul-2006 01:03 am
We discussed an issue appeared on Korean UBF open counseling website some time ago. I checked the same website and found another interesting counseling there.

One Korean UBF shepherd allegedly wrote a posting there to discuss well-known UBF problems such as Sogam/Testimony writing, marriage by faith, tithing, abusing the word Satan too much etc.. It is very interesting to me that some Korean UBF shepherds are talking about the things we also talk about on our website!

The Korean UBF shepherd seemed to have a desire to open up discussion about these problems systematically based on the Bible and sound theological investigation. However, the administrator of the website (a guy called ‘Spurgeon Lee’) deleted the posting.

The Korean UBF shepherd wrote another posting criticizing Spurgeon Lee’s action. He argues that Spurgeon Lee’s action of deleting his posting defeats the very purpose of running open counseling website! However Spurgeon Lee gives counter-argument to justify his deleting the posting. Spurgeon Lee says that it is impossible to give a clear theological answer to every problem. So Spurgeon Lee argues that he is justified to delete the postings that cannot be answered clearly according to his personal judgment.

So the open counseling of Korean UBF doesn’t seem to be so open. One cannot discuss UBF problems during the open counseling session. If a UBF shepherd tries to ask questions about UBF problems, he is a Satan. If he wants to have an open counseling about any UBF problems on the website, his questions are deleted. So what do they do during the open counseling or one-to-one bible study anyway?
14th-Jul-2006 01:54 pm (UTC)
I hope this will encourage more of the students who are newer to UBF and still have their sanity to question their commitment to an oppressive organization.
15th-Jul-2006 02:08 pm (UTC) - not counselling at all
It would seem that the open counseling website is not open counseling at all. The poor inquiring shepherd thought he was free to use the forum for discussion, but his post was deleted because his ideas about discussion, such as the problems at ubf, are not valid discussion topics at ubf. The moderator decided the best way to handle the seeming problem was to delete the post and the thoughts entirely.

But then, the shepherd insisted that an open discussion was right, and posted again. The moderator then began an argument with the inquiring shepherd. The ubf moderator's argument is void of reason or intelligence. And that is the end of open discussion. That is the way of ubf. There will be no discussion, ever.

My advice to the inquiring shepherd. Don't argue or attempt open discussion with ubfins, because in this area they are idiots. And you should never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with their vast experience. Just leave ubf, join our forum, and we will be glad to discuss all the important issues with you intelligently.
17th-Jul-2006 08:34 pm (UTC)
So the open counseling of Korean UBF doesn’t seem to be so open. One cannot discuss UBF problems during the open counseling session.

This is not a surprise. UBF's discussion site is only open for those who want to praise UBF and its leaders.

UBF members continue to engage in thought stopping. Since Lee could not answer the question he just stopped thinking about and hopes the shepherd will to the same. I hope this shepherd continues to think about UBF's avoidance of the issues until he realizes he should leave UBF.
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