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Marriage, love and mission in UBF 
6th-Aug-2006 04:01 pm
http://board.ubf.or.kr/counsel2.php

There seems to be heated discussion on the Korean UBF open counseling website. The topic is about a person’s feeling toward an opposite sex that could eventually develop into “love”.
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6th-Aug-2006 09:52 pm (UTC)
In post 1376, a sheep shows the same frustration shown in post 1373. The sheep directs the post toward the UBF staff shepherd. The sheep says that he/she doesn't want to serve UBF but only Jesus. The sheep also mentions that there are many couples who are suffering as a resulf of their UBF marriage by faith.

In post 1377, another person who seems to be a 'sheep' expresses frustration. This person says that he/she cannot trust his/her 1:1 shepherd. His/her shepherd is judgemental about him/her.

In post 1374, a 'young' sheep demands an answer regarding what he/she foudn out about UBF on the internet. The sheep had a discussion with his/her shepherd about a lot of things including marriage. The sheep felt that there was something wrong about what the shepherd said about marriage by faith. So the sheep decided to do some research on UBF and found a lot of negative information about UBF.

In post 1375, a shepherd responds to the post 1374. Basically the shepherd says that it doesn't matter what others say about UBF. What matters most is what the sheep believes about marriage, tithing, etc.. The shepherd encourages the sheep just to follow his/her personal faith.
7th-Aug-2006 04:19 am (UTC)
In post 1375, a shepherd responds to the post 1374. Basically the shepherd says that it doesn't matter what others say about UBF. What matters most is what the sheep believes about marriage, tithing, etc.. The shepherd encourages the sheep just to follow his/her personal faith.

The person's name who wrote the post 1375 is 이현이 (Hyun-Yi Lee?). This person seems to try to defend UBF position. The thesis of this post is: '내'가 성경 말씀대로 사는 것이 중요하니까요 (What matters most is that I should live accroding to the Bible.)

Assuming that 이현이 is a UBF shepherd, the thesis shows the best example of subjectivity prevailent in UBF. Since 이현이 thinks that what matters most is that 이현이 should live accroding to the Bible, what others should say about what 이현이 believes about how 이현이 should live according to the Bible does not matter! So should others say anything negative about how 이현이 lives, 이현이 would consider them Satan!

What 이현이 fails to understand about his/her thesis is this: How could he/she justify that he/she is living according to the Bible? Samuel Lee's theology is that it is ok to violate human rights as long as doing so helps sheep. Could heling sheep justify violating sheep's human rights? Could we say that Samuel Lee lived according to the Bible when he violated sheep's human rights to help them?

Suppose 이현이 believes that enforcing UBF-style marriage by "faith" is to live according to the Bible. How is 이현이 going to justify it since no one, even UBF sheep and many UBF shepherds other than 이현이 do not seem to agree to the UBF claim that UBF-style marriage by "faith" can be discovered in the Bible? Under these circumstances, could 이현이 convince himself/herself that he/she is living according to the Bible except counter-accusing others as agents of Satan?

이현이 doesn't seem to understand that the thesis that what matters most is that 이현이 should live accroding to the Bible presupposes that 이현이 is fully justified to do what 이현이 believes about how 이현이 should live according to the Bible. As it is the case with Samuel Lee's theology, 이현이's thoelogy is too subjective and is filled with too much unqualified presuppositions. So 이현이's thoelogical argument should be discarded as it is not based on sound and rigorous theology. 이현이's thoelogy appeals to one's emotion rather than to sound judgement.
8th-Aug-2006 12:30 am (UTC) - UBF Shepherd(s) Give Contradictory Answers
From the Korean UBF Staff Shepherd in Post 1372:

1. But the staff shepherd says that a marriage in UBF should not be based on “feeling” but on God’s sovereignty.

2. "So he says that he would never allow any relationship based on love and a marriage based on love in his chapter." (From Korean UBF Leader)

From the Korean UBF Staff Shepherd in Post 1375:

In post 1375, a shepherd responds to the post 1374. Basically the shepherd says that it doesn't matter what others say about UBF. What matters most is what the sheep believes about marriage, tithing, etc.. The shepherd encourages the sheep just to follow his/her personal faith.

The third statement contradicts the first two. Were these statements made by the same shepherd? The staff shepherd argues that marriage should not be based on love or feeling, but on God's sovereignty. Then, the shepherd states that the sheep should follow their personal faith. What happened to following God's sovereignty? When defending marriage by faith to the sheep, the shepherd wants the sheep to avoid the personal belief that he/she loves another person and focus on God's sovereignty. When the shepherd wants to discourage the sheep from believing anti-UBF material, the shepherd wants the sheep to go with personal beliefs. The shepherd must have assumed that the sheep believes that UBF is a legitimate Christian church. The conclusion is that regarding marriage the sheep must deny personal beliefs while holding onto personal beliefs when reading anti-UBF material.

UBF's only hope is that members hold onto a personal belief that UBF is a good church. UBF defenders hold this belief well when they state "I never saw any of these alleged abuses" and "those were past mistakes and we've moved on." UBF violates God's sovereignty with every UBF member. Thus, any member who spends significant time praying over God's sovereignty will conclude that UBF is not the place for anyone seeking Christ.
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