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UBF Obedience 
21st-Aug-2006 11:25 pm
“Obedience” is a big theme in UBF indoctrination. I found a recent post regarding UBF obedience on the open counseling website of Korean UBF. The UBF theology of obedience is very closely tied to humbleness and proudness. This thread of discussion on UBF obedience clearly proves how UBF misinterprets the Bible and abuses biblical teaching for successful UBF business operation.
25th-Aug-2006 12:52 am (UTC) - Re: post 1385 by Spener Lee, (이스페너)
But when you understand your shepherd clearly through this process, you must obey your shepherd absolutely.

This is exactly what Isaac Kim wanted from 1:1 meetings in the summer of 2004. During our 1:1 study, I talked to him about the unbiblical the 'humbleness' training he imposed on me. He seemed to listen and understand me. However, he would always argue that I needed to be trained and should understand why he trained me. HIs ultimate goal was to bring me to a point in which I would obey him absolutely. I continued to firmly state that his training was wrong and that the spiritual order he wanted to impose was unbiblical.
I would not obey him absolutely.

When Isaac realized that I would not obey him absolutely, he told me that I was worshipping my own Christ. Then, I realized that I either had to obey Isaac Kim as God or leave.
25th-Aug-2006 03:56 am (UTC) - Re: post 1385 by Spener Lee, (이스페너)
you must obey your shepherd absolutely

What is more terrifying is that Spener Lee doesn't seem to have any doubt about his own thesis of you must obey your shepherd absolutely. He does not even use a Bible passage to support his thesis. Where does he get such idea? In other posts, Spener Lee metions a lot about UBF tradition. I think that Spener Lee gets such unbiblical ideas from UBF tradition but not from the Bible. Spener Lee, as a UBF staff shepherd, seems to be more interested in preseving UBF tradition set by Samuel Lee rather than teaching the truth of God to his sheep.
28th-Aug-2006 09:22 pm (UTC) - Asking To See Evidence in Scripture is Rebellion in UBF
"He does not even use a Bible passage to support his thesis."

When I asked Isaac and Rebekah Kim to provide evidence in scripture for their directions and rebukes, they responded that this revealed my pride. They said that I must learn to obey them without asking questions. They define pride as wanting to follow the scripture instead of their words.
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